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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>True. Some of the ones we looked at were really flimsy. Our new one has a stainless steel tub and seems relatively sturdy, but time will tell.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Ipg-smz <ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Perlow, Jason<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 11, 2018 3:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> IPG List <ipg-smz@netpress.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ipg-smz] Why I'm not going to CES<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>But also the fact several large US brands were purchased by the Chinese.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 3:52 PM Perlow, Jason <<a href="mailto:jperlow@gmail.com">jperlow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes. Because it reduced the robustness of the components in the process.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 3:52 PM Richard Santalesa <<a href="mailto:rsantalesa@smartedgelaw.com" target="_blank">rsantalesa@smartedgelaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Primarily due to EPA water and energy requirements… </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Ipg-smz [mailto:<a href="mailto:ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org" target="_blank">ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Perlow, Jason<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 11, 2018 3:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>; <a href="mailto:nyveen@gmail.com" target="_blank">nyveen@gmail.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ipg-smz] Why I'm not going to CES</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>You would be surprised how badly built the new ones are. I’ve had to replace 3 over a 5 year period.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/iot-sucks-but-your-home-appliances-are-unreliable-slabs-of-junk/" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/iot-sucks-but-your-home-appliances-are-unreliable-slabs-of-junk/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 3:07 PM Lawrence Nyveen <<a href="mailto:nyveen@gmail.com" target="_blank">nyveen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 8:29 AM Christine Hall <<a href="mailto:christine@fossforce.com" target="_blank">christine@fossforce.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It seems like it has some of the same features as automatic dishwashers, <br>which requires dishes to already be relatively clean before the washing <br>works. <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>When's the last time you shopped for a dishwasher?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>As long as we don't put bones, gravel, or other non-puree-able waste into our 18-year-old dishwasher, we don't have to rinse dishes or pots at all. 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