<div dir="ltr">Just to pick up quickly on something said at the beginning of this thread: Chromebooks are indeed a nice alternative for tech-nervous folks. My parents were comfortable with tech -- for a while, they'd simply inherit my computer when I'd get a new one. However, now that she's in her 90s, my mom is a little less flexible in what she can learn, and while she was perfectly comfortable with Windows until now, when her Windows laptop started to finally stutter, I knew she couldn't make the jump to the latest version. So I got her a Chromebook about six months ago, and she's been perfectly happy with it. <div><br></div><div>Barbara<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">--</div><div dir="ltr">Barbara Krasnoff<br><a href="mailto:bkrasnoff@gmail.com" target="_blank">bkrasnoff@gmail.com</a><br><a href="http://www.brooklynwriter.com" target="_blank">http://www.brooklynwriter.com</a><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 2:44 PM Gabe Goldberg <<a href="mailto:gabe@gabegold.com">gabe@gabegold.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="gmail-m_9160102183196987166moz-cite-prefix">On 1/17/2019 5:53 PM, Gabe Goldberg
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<p>Are those of us who've for decades used and/or written about
technology digital immigrants? As was pointed out, our
generation invented and documented what's now foundational to
everything new and shiny and intriguing digital natives. More
distinctions than age are needed -- you blitzed through Wi-Fi
setup which baffled the supposed native. Maybe there are
natives, pioneers/veterans, and immigrants?</p>
<p>To echo again -- To echo Jason, I am amazed at how "civilians"
can make their computers work in any form of fashion in many
cases. Feel embarrassed that technology, and the major vendors,
still make things so difficult. -- amen. Looking at most
interfaces and meager or non-existent documentation, I marvel
that most people get anything working.</p>
<p>Regarding documentation -- being old-school, I expect it. So I
just ranted to Samsung CEO about my new 49" TV:<br>
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<p><span><span> </span>included
one-page cartoonish no-words setup instructions and a 21-page
“User Manual” most of which describes installation, setup,
troubleshooting and maintenance, specifications, and warranty
information.</span></p>
<p>Helpfully, it does note that the TV itself contains a real
manual; I downloaded that from website and paid FedEx Office too
much to print it (in color). It's 143 pages -- so without it,
one never discovers/masters all features. And who'll read that
either on the set or on a screen?</p>
<p>And (returning to this thread's actual Subject) -- Apple's just
as bad, skimping on documentation.<span><br>
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<div dir="ltr">My introduction to the peculiarities of digital
immigrants (our generation) vs. digital natives (the young
people) was 10+ years ago, in two incidents. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Our neighbors across the street had their
granddaughter, then aged 14, living with them for a few
months while Mom dried out, and they asked for my help
setting up WiFi. Sure, I said, and configured their laptop
and WiFi router. A simple operation, took me about 15
minutes, and yet the 14-year-old digital native was
completely bamboozled by it. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">I also advised the grandddaughter that it was
not a good idea to have Facebook as her home page. Not if
she wanted privacy from Grandma and Grandpa. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Second incident: At about the same time I
joined Facebook myself, and one night, troubled by insomnia,
I was in my home office doing random browsing through
Facebook's "Suggested Friends" list. This was about 3 am. My
niece, then a college freshman and 17 years old, came up on
the list. I gave it a microsecond of thought, said "sure,
why not?" and sent a friend request. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">This set off a MAJOR FAMILY CONTROVERSY. My
niece went to her mother who went to my wife. My niece was
concerned I'd be spying on her and reporting everything to
her Mom. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">I said to my wife. "Weeeeeeeelllll if it's just
college bullshit, of course I wouldn't report it. If she
said she got drunk last night and was puking and was sooooo
hung over, well, kids do that in college and I wouldn't
report that either. But if she says she met a 46-year-old
man and they're soooooo in love and getting married
tomorrow, yeah, I'd be on the phone to her mother so fast
that it'd break the lightspeed barrier."</div>
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<div>P.S. I lost track of the neighbor after both grandparents
passed away. That family has had hard times and struggled
with addiction; I hope the mother and little girl are doing
well. As for my niece, she's a doctor now and runs a medical
clinic in Baltimore!</div>
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