<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>>But check this out. On Twitter, it appeared every single one of the
 50 most recent #BelieveAllWomen-tagged <br></div><div>>Tweets are using it ironically, 
to pretend -- as you're doing -- that it's sincerely used in the wild.</div><div><br></div><div>After #BelieveAllWomen there was another hashtag, #MenAreTrash, that went through the same thing. When I looked at it Friday morning it was serious and by Saturday it was ironically.</div><div><br></div><div>I found this ted talk yesterday, I really liked it, and it seemed to say what I was trying to say, only more eloquently:<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/theo_e_j_wilson_a_black_man_goes_undercover_in_the_alt_right?language=en">https://www.ted.com/talks/theo_e_j_wilson_a_black_man_goes_undercover_in_the_alt_right?language=en</a></div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div><br></div><div>--heusser<br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 9:04 PM Richard Santalesa <<a href="mailto:rsantalesa@smartedgelaw.com">rsantalesa@smartedgelaw.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-2972802564845630539WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Ok, Tom, I’m  tabling this, because we clearly come from it from totally different angles. My statements are not all false and your facts are not all facts. False flag. Hardly. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Good day.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Ipg-smz [mailto:<a href="mailto:ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org" target="_blank">ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Geller<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 15, 2019 6:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ipg-smz] Bro culture in action<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 15 Feb 2019, at 17:52, Richard Santalesa <<a href="mailto:rsantalesa@smartedgelaw.com" target="_blank">rsantalesa@smartedgelaw.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I think you will have to agree that the #MeToo movement was accompanied by, in various quarters, the push of a #BelieveAllWomen corollary<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br>That's quite an assertion! So let's quantify, as journalists do.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Google shows about 353K hits for #BelieveAllWomen and 196,000K hits for #MeToo. That's one in ~500, or 2/10ths of 1%. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Even if #BelieveAllWomen was always paired with #MeToo (it's not), that's far below what a reasonable person would say "accompanies by, in various quarters". They are not fellow travelers.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>But check this out. On Twitter, it appeared every single one of the 50 most recent #BelieveAllWomen-tagged Tweets are using it ironically, to pretend -- as you're doing -- that it's sincerely used in the wild.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Your statement is definitively false. ("the #MeToo movement was accompanied by, in various quarters, the push of a #BelieveAllWomen corollary.")<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class="MsoNormal">which not only damaged the valid attention that should be paid to the #MeToo issue, but then set the stage for blowback as we’ve seen.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><br>I would oppose such a wrongheaded and prejudicial idea as #BelieveAllWomen -- if, again, it existed. But, nope, overwhelmingly it's a false flag. And you fell for it.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Back to the topic: Journalists examine, quantify, analyze. It's not that hard, but it takes time.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Menlo","serif";color:black">---<br>Tom Geller  *  Writer & Video/journalist  *  <a href="http://tomgeller.com" target="_blank">http://tomgeller.com</a><br>       Rotterdam, The Netherlands, +31 (0)6 87071468<br>            Oberlin, Ohio  *  +1-415-317-1805<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Menlo","serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Menlo","serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 15 Feb 2019, at 17:52, Richard Santalesa <<a href="mailto:rsantalesa@smartedgelaw.com" target="_blank">rsantalesa@smartedgelaw.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Not sure how you make that Evil Knievel-level leap of what I’m suggesting. My comments are reserved EXCLUSIVELY to the scenario I’m describing in the context of a false accusation’s consequences and the results of the situation in responses by men. <span class="gmail-m_-2972802564845630539apple-converted-space"> </span></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">I think you will have to agree that the #MeToo movement was accompanied by, in various quarters, the push of a #BelieveAllWomen corollary, which not only damaged the valid attention that should be paid to the #MeToo issue, but then set the stage for blowback as we’ve seen.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div style="border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class="gmail-m_-2972802564845630539apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Ipg-smz [<a href="mailto:ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org" target="_blank">mailto:ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org</a>]<span class="gmail-m_-2972802564845630539apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="gmail-m_-2972802564845630539apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tom Geller<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="gmail-m_-2972802564845630539apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, February 15, 2019 11:33 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="gmail-m_-2972802564845630539apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="gmail-m_-2972802564845630539apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Ipg-smz] Bro culture in action</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 15 Feb 2019, at 17:24, Richard Santalesa <<a href="mailto:rsantalesa@smartedgelaw.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">rsantalesa@smartedgelaw.com</span></a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">If doesn’t matter if 99.9% of people are not falsely accused as the consequences of being falsely accused are so nuclear that</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">You're suggesting that *being accused of* rape is worse than *being* raped. We disagree. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Anyway, you're getting far away from the flawed original concepts: That #MeToo is an accusation per se, or has led to an increase in false accusations. Journalists don't parrot such nonsense.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Menlo","serif""><br>---<br>Tom Geller  *  Writer & Video/journalist  *  <a href="http://tomgeller.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">http://tomgeller.com</span></a><br>       Rotterdam, The Netherlands, +31 (0)6 87071468<br>            Oberlin, Ohio  *  +1-415-317-1805</span><u></u><u>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