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<p>True. Also male. I'm well aware those attributes influence -- or
determine! -- my perspective and interactions. And I live in a
relatively upscale and safe area of a safe and economically sound
county. And I was privileged being born into solidly middle-class
life in NYC. I've no illusion that any of this is universal and
deplore various inequalities in this country. And I'm sure that
less fortunate people can see a different side of law enforcement.
My point was simply that generalizations may fail and I don't
think the people I've dealt with look for ways to
trick/trap/incriminate people. In fact, Fairfax has multiple
diversion programs where police are mandated to first consider
ways to avoid criminalizing certain actions.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/31/2019 10:39 PM, Sharon Fisher
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Gabe, I'm guessing you're white.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 8:33 PM Richard Santalesa
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<div dir="auto">I'm not sure my perspective is different. I
know many law enforcement officers, have contacts in the
CT FBI offices. Etc.<br>
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<div dir="auto">I have no issues approaching LEO to query or
discuss, but if approachef and questioned in the context
of an investigation my standard recommendation is to
state, "I'm happy to help in any way I can, but I can't
speak to you further without my counsel advising me"<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 31, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Gabe
Goldberg <<a href="mailto:gabe@gabegold.com"
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<p>FWIW, different perspective here. After attending
FCPD Citizens Police Academy, I attended FBI Citizens
Academy at Washington, DC Field Office (both
fascinating/informative). Again, knowing multiple FBI
agents and officials, I've had pleasant/informative
interactions with them. As a citizen, I both carry an
ACLU membership card and value my dealings with local
and federal law enforcement. I won't quote the tired
saying "If you haven't done anything, you have nothing
to worry about" and recognize there have been abuses
but don't feel the need to be on guard. In fact, both
FCPD officers and FBI agents have been helpful when I
had minor issue or questions to discuss.<br>
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<div dir="auto"> Sorry. As an attorney I recommend no
discussion with LEO ( especy federal) other than
definitely known facts with counsel present. <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote"> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:59 PM,
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<div dir="ltr"> Exactly Sharon. That's the
dilemma. You get out and can't find a decent
job. What do you do? Fast food or crime?
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<div> I think there needs to be actual education
in the prison system especially for those who
have the possibility of parole/release. We can
either spend some money training, teaching,
and educating people or we can pay for them to
come back and live off the state or get
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31, 2019 at 6:31 PM Sharon Fisher < <a
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someone has done their time, what are they
supposed to do for a living when released? <br>
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PM Gabe Goldberg < <a
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I've volunteered with Fairfax County, VA
Police Department for 10+ <br>
years. I know -- and in many cases have
ridden with -- officers from <br>
patrol to chief. I chaired my police
station's Citizens Advisory <br>
Committee and serve on the Chief's
Advisory Council. I'm on a task force <br>
developing policies for public safety use
of drones -- it's about 40 <br>
people, including police, fire&EMS,
fire marshal, county attorney, FAA, <br>
Audubon Society, business organizations,
citizen/civic groups, and head <br>
of Virginia ACLU. Output so far is a draft
35+ page manual and all the <br>
info is on <a
href="http://fairfaxcounty.gov/uas"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">fairfaxcounty.gov/uas</a>.
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There are 18,000+ law enforcement agencies
in the country so it's <br>
misleading to generalize about "the
police" or "law enforcement". <br>
Fairfax cops I know are
honest/honorable/motivated to do the right
<br>
thing. Over the years, policies have
changed -- sometimes in response to <br>
national trends, sometimes to community
involvement/pressure, sometimes <br>
to FCPD problems. There's pretty good
transparency and responsiveness. <br>
Fairfax (1200+ officers) isn't Mayberry or
NYC (30,000+ officers) -- <br>
there's no reason NOT to talk to police
here; in fact middle/high <br>
schools all have School Resource Officers
whose job is to TALK to kids <br>
-- not arrest them. <br>
<br>
I'm not claiming that everywhere's as
fortunate as Fairfax -- just <br>
suggesting that all-inclusive advice about
police can be misleading. <br>
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On 3/31/2019 11:18 AM, Stephen Satchell
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> On 3/30/19 5:05 PM, Richard Santalesa
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>> Oh come on pretty much everything
is a felony these days. <br>
> <br>
> All too true, which is why you NEVER
talk to law enforcement unless you <br>
> have to. <br>
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> And "ex-felons" implies
"convictions". <br>
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