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<p>And I'm not sure my perspective on THAT differs.</p>
<p>I responded to, "As an attorney I recommend no discussion with
LEO ( especy federal) other than definitely known facts with
counsel present" because it seemed all encompassing, rather than
in the context of an investigation.</p>
<p>But suppose it's a crime/incident (traffic accident?) in which
you're a victim or witness? Those involve investigations, do you
include them in times to be cagey?</p>
<p>I've heard ACLU presentations making your point -- politely
decline to discuss, politely decline entry to house, search of
car, etc. ACLU makes the point that it's important for EVERYONE
(even/especially white males) to assert those rights/decisions so
officers are accustomed to refusals, may be more accepting of them
from others. Problem is, of course -- being politely uncooperative
(in LEO eyes) can lengthen an encounter if not turn it negative.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/31/2019 10:32 PM, Richard
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<div dir="auto">I'm not sure my perspective is different. I know
many law enforcement officers, have contacts in the CT FBI
offices. Etc.<br>
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<div dir="auto">I have no issues approaching LEO to query or
discuss, but if approachef and questioned in the context of an
investigation my standard recommendation is to state, "I'm happy
to help in any way I can, but I can't speak to you further
without my counsel advising me"<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 31, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Gabe
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<p>FWIW, different perspective here. After attending FCPD
Citizens Police Academy, I attended FBI Citizens Academy at
Washington, DC Field Office (both fascinating/informative).
Again, knowing multiple FBI agents and officials, I've had
pleasant/informative interactions with them. As a citizen, I
both carry an ACLU membership card and value my dealings
with local and federal law enforcement. I won't quote the
tired saying "If you haven't done anything, you have nothing
to worry about" and recognize there have been abuses but
don't feel the need to be on guard. In fact, both FCPD
officers and FBI agents have been helpful when I had minor
issue or questions to discuss.<br>
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<div dir="auto"> Sorry. As an attorney I recommend no
discussion with LEO ( especy federal) other than
definitely known facts with counsel present. <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote"> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:59 PM, Ken
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<div dir="ltr"> Exactly Sharon. That's the dilemma. You
get out and can't find a decent job. What do you do?
Fast food or crime?
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<div> I think there needs to be actual education in
the prison system especially for those who have the
possibility of parole/release. We can either spend
some money training, teaching, and educating people
or we can pay for them to come back and live off the
state or get released and commit more crimes. </div>
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has done their time, what are they supposed to do
for a living when released? <br>
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> FWIW, I've
volunteered with Fairfax County, VA Police
Department for 10+ <br>
years. I know -- and in many cases have ridden
with -- officers from <br>
patrol to chief. I chaired my police station's
Citizens Advisory <br>
Committee and serve on the Chief's Advisory
Council. I'm on a task force <br>
developing policies for public safety use of
drones -- it's about 40 <br>
people, including police, fire&EMS, fire
marshal, county attorney, FAA, <br>
Audubon Society, business organizations,
citizen/civic groups, and head <br>
of Virginia ACLU. Output so far is a draft 35+
page manual and all the <br>
info is on <a
href="http://fairfaxcounty.gov/uas"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">fairfaxcounty.gov/uas</a>.
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There are 18,000+ law enforcement agencies in
the country so it's <br>
misleading to generalize about "the police" or
"law enforcement". <br>
Fairfax cops I know are
honest/honorable/motivated to do the right <br>
thing. Over the years, policies have changed --
sometimes in response to <br>
national trends, sometimes to community
involvement/pressure, sometimes <br>
to FCPD problems. There's pretty good
transparency and responsiveness. <br>
Fairfax (1200+ officers) isn't Mayberry or NYC
(30,000+ officers) -- <br>
there's no reason NOT to talk to police here; in
fact middle/high <br>
schools all have School Resource Officers whose
job is to TALK to kids <br>
-- not arrest them. <br>
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I'm not claiming that everywhere's as fortunate
as Fairfax -- just <br>
suggesting that all-inclusive advice about
police can be misleading. <br>
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On 3/31/2019 11:18 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote: <br>
> On 3/30/19 5:05 PM, Richard Santalesa
wrote: <br>
>> Oh come on pretty much everything is a
felony these days. <br>
> <br>
> All too true, which is why you NEVER talk
to law enforcement unless you <br>
> have to. <br>
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> And "ex-felons" implies "convictions". <br>
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