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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sometimes a ‘remanufactured system’ is one that just had a cable re-inserted after a rough trip through the UPS mauling system. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I used to work for a custom computer manufacturer – we created custom systems for auto shops and other similar end users, using third-party software from another vendor. We often had to re-manufacture systems simply because the third-party software company wouldn’t pay for sturdier shipping boxes. The systems would arrive at the auto shop with a video card unseated, or a cable popped off the connector, and with on one there who could pop the card back in, they’d return them to us as defective. I argued for months that the costs of returns would pay for better shipping boxes at our end – we lost out of double shipping, plus the time to pop the card back in, and that was often more than our margin. After a year of this, I put together a spreadsheet that showed we’d actually lost money having made over 400 systems for this one vendor, because of the return costs. We used that to force the vendor to pay for shipping crates, and had zero returns over the next year. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Thanks, </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Logan G. Harbaugh<br><a href="mailto:logan@lharba.com">logan@lharba.com</a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>530-243-1346</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>1547 Magnolia Ave.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Redding, CA 96001</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><a href="http://www.lharba.com/">www.lharba.com</a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Ipg-smz [mailto:ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Henderson<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 30, 2019 6:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> ipg-smz@netpress.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ipg-smz] Apple Lease<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Consider that on a production line, QA is a process with N steps. A refurbished system often has N steps, and more because of a second set of eyes that aren't on a rushed production line. Sometimes a single component, like an SSD goes dead early. The replacement SSD probably comes from better stock, and more eyes and QA/QC steps have been applied. I wouldn't reject a manufacturer refurbished product out of hand; indeed, they can represent great value with even higher possible reliability than those from a retail box. When I was QA/QC management in consumer electronics, I recall any number of reasons why I would recommend a reman-product or a refurb-product over a "new" one. Why? More eyes, more steps, albeit at a poorer profit margin for the maker. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Tom<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 5/30/19 8:22 PM, Swapnil “Swap” Bhartiya wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>If I am going to spend more than $4500, I am not getting a refurbished product. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On May 30, 2019, at 7:44 PM, Tom Henderson <<a href="mailto:thenderson@extremelabs.com">thenderson@extremelabs.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>For whatever reasons, people return machines. Apple re-manufactures them. They look no different from a retail-packaged machine. The specs are very important to your work, so selections should be made to follow your exact requirements. They cost about 10% less, sometimes more. If there's something ugly, it's always noted, but I haven't seen an ugly note in years. Although I don't buy Apple any more, others that I've recommended have had very good results.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Tom<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 5/30/19 7:33 PM, <a href="mailto:arnieswap@gmail.com">arnieswap@gmail.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>What do you mean by the refurb store? Are these brand new latest machines? <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 7:32 PM Tom Henderson <<a href="mailto:thenderson@extremelabs.com">thenderson@extremelabs.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I don't know of a program that does that. Apple does offer (via paypal credit), decent deals, especially through their refurb store, <a href="https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac/macbook-pro" target="_blank">https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac/macbook-pro</a> and I've shopped there before, and recommend it for taking some of the sting out of retail prices. Apple Care is suggested.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Tom<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 5/30/19 7:09 PM, <a href="mailto:arnieswap@gmail.com" target="_blank">arnieswap@gmail.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hello All <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Considering my line of work, where I am mostly traveling, I prefer having the most powerful MacBook on the block. Apple just released a new MacBook Pro and I would love to upgrade to it (I upgraded to Vega 20 model in Jan this year). However, I don't want to go through the hoops of selling old devices. Is there any way I can stay on the latest Apple hardware?<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><b>Swapnil Bhartiya</b><br>Founder & Editor: <a href="http://www.tfir.io/" target="_blank">www.TFiR.io</a><br>Freelance Journalist | Science Fiction Writer | Filmmaker<br>Specialises in Open Source & Emerging Technologies<br>Stories published in - TFiR, CIO, InfoWorld, NetworkWorld, <a href="http://Linux.com">Linux.com</a>, <a href="http://LinuxFoundation.org">LinuxFoundation.org</a>, The New Stack, Linux Pro, ADMIN, CNCF, Cloud Foundry, HPE Insight.<br><br>Social networks:<br><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/swapnilbhartiya/" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/swapnilbhartiya/</a><br><a href="https://twitter.com/swapbhartiya/" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/swapbhartiya/</a><br><a href="https://mstdn.io/@Swapnil" target="_blank">https://mstdn.io/@Swapnil</a><br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/TFiR-TV" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/TFiR-TV</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Tom Henderson<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>ExtremeLabs, Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>+1 317 250 4646<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Twitter: @extremelabs<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Skype: extremelabsinc<o:p></o:p></pre></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Ipg-smz mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank">Ipg-smz@netpress.org</a><br><a href="http://netpress.org/mailman/listinfo/ipg-smz_netpress.org" target="_blank">http://netpress.org/mailman/listinfo/ipg-smz_netpress.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><b>Swapnil Bhartiya</b><br>Founder & Editor: <a href="http://www.tfir.io/" target="_blank">www.TFiR.io</a><br>Freelance Journalist | Science Fiction Writer | Filmmaker<br>Specialises in Open Source & Emerging Technologies<br>Stories published in - TFiR, CIO, InfoWorld, NetworkWorld, <a href="http://Linux.com">Linux.com</a>, <a href="http://LinuxFoundation.org">LinuxFoundation.org</a>, The New Stack, Linux Pro, ADMIN, CNCF, Cloud Foundry, HPE Insight.<br><br>Social networks:<br><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/swapnilbhartiya/" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/swapnilbhartiya/</a><br><a href="https://twitter.com/swapbhartiya/" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/swapbhartiya/</a><br><a href="https://mstdn.io/@Swapnil" target="_blank">https://mstdn.io/@Swapnil</a><br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/TFiR-TV" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/TFiR-TV</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Tom Henderson<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>ExtremeLabs, Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>+1 317 250 4646<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Twitter: @extremelabs<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Skype: extremelabsinc<o:p></o:p></pre></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Ipg-smz mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ipg-smz@netpress.org">Ipg-smz@netpress.org</a><br><a href="http://netpress.org/mailman/listinfo/ipg-smz_netpress.org">http://netpress.org/mailman/listinfo/ipg-smz_netpress.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Tom Henderson<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>ExtremeLabs, Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>+1 317 250 4646<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Twitter: @extremelabs<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Skype: extremelabsinc<o:p></o:p></pre></div></body></html>