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    <p>The inventory fluctuates, admittedly. My last machine, an MBA,
      was purchased from there, but suffered from the stupid keyboard
      problem, which went out just after Apple Care expired. Eventually,
      I fixed it, and it sits in the lab awaiting times when nothing
      works better than macOS in a test situation. <br>
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    <p>This said, I have two colleagues that found the refurb deals
      cheaper than their Apple university prices. None of theirs has had
      a problem. <br>
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    <p>Refurbs appear quickly. Might help. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Tom</p>
    <p><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/30/19 9:20 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arnieswap@gmail.com">arnieswap@gmail.com</a>
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CADLvm1azD3ThUAhnX6cMacvkbeFi5k8bFNF4pw+hL0waeMdNDw@mail.gmail.com">
      <div dir="ltr">I don't think they will have 'refurb' products the
        same day they ship pre-order for the machine I want. Never been
        a fan of a refurb. I see your point, but it doesn't solve my
        problem. </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 7:45
          PM Tom Henderson <<a
            href="mailto:thenderson@extremelabs.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">thenderson@extremelabs.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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            <p>For whatever reasons, people return machines. Apple
              re-manufactures them. They look no different from a
              retail-packaged machine. The specs are very important to
              your work, so selections should be made to follow your
              exact requirements. They cost about 10% less, sometimes
              more. If there's something ugly, it's always noted, but I
              haven't seen an ugly note in years. Although I don't buy
              Apple any more, others that I've recommended have had very
              good results.</p>
            <p>Tom</p>
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            <div class="gmail-m_7879441976310088491moz-cite-prefix">On
              5/30/19 7:33 PM, <a
                class="gmail-m_7879441976310088491moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                href="mailto:arnieswap@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">arnieswap@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">What do you mean by the refurb store? Are
                these brand new latest machines? </div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 30, 2019
                  at 7:32 PM Tom Henderson <<a
                    href="mailto:thenderson@extremelabs.com"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">thenderson@extremelabs.com</a>>
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                    <p>I don't know of a program that does that. Apple
                      does offer (via paypal credit), decent deals,
                      especially through their refurb store, <a
class="gmail-m_7879441976310088491gmail-m_216699822592961144moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac/macbook-pro"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac/macbook-pro</a>
                      and I've shopped there before, and recommend it
                      for taking some of the sting out of retail prices.
                      Apple Care is suggested.</p>
                    <p>Tom</p>
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                    <div
class="gmail-m_7879441976310088491gmail-m_216699822592961144moz-cite-prefix">On
                      5/30/19 7:09 PM, <a
class="gmail-m_7879441976310088491gmail-m_216699822592961144moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:arnieswap@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">arnieswap@gmail.com</a>
                      wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Hello All
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                        <div>Considering my line of work, where I am
                          mostly traveling, I prefer having the most
                          powerful MacBook on the block. Apple just
                          released a new MacBook Pro and I would love to
                          upgrade to it (I upgraded to Vega 20 model in
                          Jan this year). However, I don't want to go
                          through the hoops of selling old devices. Is
                          there any way I can stay on the latest Apple
                          hardware?<br>
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                              <span>Founder & Editor: <a
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                      <span>Freelance Journalist | Science Fiction
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                        NetworkWorld, Linux.com, LinuxFoundation.org,
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