<div dir="auto">It would be tricky. I doubt that I would still have a job there after a month of not working.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm just imagining the situation in which I tell the vendors that I can't work there anymore because conflict-of-interest stuff, and then a month later come back looking for my old job.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 16:08 Sharon Fisher via Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Can you compromise? Can you agree to not write for vendors during the trial period? </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:59 AM Liam Kelly via Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Ah yes, how could I forget! </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 3:55 PM Mitch Wagner <<a href="mailto:mitch@mitchwagner.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">mitch@mitchwagner.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Seems to me that Beyonce has the best advice here:<div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m1EFMoRFvY" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m1EFMoRFvY</a><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri;min-height:17px"><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri;min-height:17px">-- </p><p style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri;min-height:17px"><a href="http://mitchwagner.com/about/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Mitch Wagner</a></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 7:42 AM Joe Stanganelli via Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">(IAAL, but this is NOT legal advice. This is “If I was in this situation, here’s what I would do.” I am not your lawyer; you are not my client. I owe you no duties and I am not to be trusted.)<br>
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If the editor has merely said “stop writing for these other pubs” but there is not an actual agreement to stop writing for these pubs, fuck ‘em. Say nothing and write for whomever you want. You are still freelance.<br>
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If they are asking you to agree to stop writing for other pubs, tell them to go fuck themselves because that’s not how the world works.<br>
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And, either way, I’d be seriously suspicious of doing any business with these fuckwads moving forward.<br>
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I am in a similar situation with a long-time client whose new-ish editor has expressed the expectation that I tell him if I’m writing for other security sites and that I’m not supposed to. I said nothing because I was so stunned to hear such bullshit. And I
write for whomever I want.<br>
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tl;dr: Fuck these fucks.</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 31, 2019 10:12:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a> <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Liam Kelly <<a href="mailto:ljkelly1888@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ljkelly1888@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Ipg-smz] New Job Question: Trial Period to Full Time Staffer</font>
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<div>I've been speaking with a crypto/blockchain publication this week about coming on board to help with their coverage. I will be paid on a per article basis during a one month "trial period," after which, if all goes well, I'll be offered a full-time position.</div>
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<div>Now, I also write copy for some crypto/blockchain companies at current. One company is a startup in the space, whereas the other is a PR firm that represents other crypto companies (among other subjects). </div>
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<div>The editor has stated that I need to stop writing for these companies before beginning the trial period. I understand his reasoning (i.e. conflict of interest), but it seems risky. </div>
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<div>What happens if I cut ties with a chunk of high paying work only to see the full-time staff position get passed on to someone else? I should add that the staff position will likely make up for the loss of marketing work financially, and I have no problem
dropping the latter once I've signed a contract to work full-time for this publication. </div>
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<div>It is indeed tricky, and I thought members of the group would have some good ideas/counter-proposals. What's a win-win for all parties in this situation?</div>
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