<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I'm with Joe.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">When they finally hire you and you know it is going to work out for YOU, that's when you can stop writing for others.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Unless these guys want to pay you what you would have made in a month to make up for your lost revenue, why should you lose the revenue?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">If they don't know your work and your writing now, what's a month with no freelance work going to tell them?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">After several layoffs over the years, sometimes one just has to look out for one's self.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">No one else appears to be looking out for any of us nowadays.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Good luck, man.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Todd :)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:XfinityStandard-Regular,"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span><span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px;font-family:"Courier New"">Todd R. 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style="font-size:14px;font-family:"Courier New"">Member, Internet Press Guild</span></span></span></span></p></div><div dir="ltr"><div><br><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 11:47 AM Joe Stanganelli via Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Absent some form of legal agreement (whether in the form of an official contract, or in the form of some email back and forth indicating such an agreement or that your trial period is expressly contingent on such an agreement), what the trial-period folks don’t
know can’t hurt ‘em.<br>
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And, from a beyond-legal standpoint: If you “violate” this editor’s expectations and continue writing willy-nilly for all your other clients while still engaging in the “trial period”, what’s the worst that they are going to do to you? What are their enumerable
damages? Are they going to sue you or send you a bill? What will their claim be? These are real questions to consider. And if the answer is “They’re not gonna do jackshit”, then that kind of answers the bigger question, now, don’t it?<br>
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The “trial period” nonsense has long been a way for writing clients to screw over freelance writers in varying shapes and forms. It seems like you have little incentive to abide by the requested forbearance.</p>
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tl;dr: Fuck ‘em.</p>
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<div id="gmail-m_3968828938881553097divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org" target="_blank">ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org</a>> on behalf of Liam Kelly via Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 31, 2019 11:13:37 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Liam Kelly <<a href="mailto:ljkelly1888@gmail.com" target="_blank">ljkelly1888@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ipg-smz] New Job Question: Trial Period to Full Time Staffer</font>
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<div dir="auto">I'm just imagining the situation in which I tell the vendors that I can't work there anymore because conflict-of-interest stuff, and then a month later come back looking for my old job.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 16:08 Sharon Fisher via Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Can you compromise? Can you agree to not write for vendors during the trial period? </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:59 AM Liam Kelly via Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 3:55 PM Mitch Wagner <<a href="mailto:mitch@mitchwagner.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">mitch@mitchwagner.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 7:42 AM Joe Stanganelli via Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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If the editor has merely said “stop writing for these other pubs” but there is not an actual agreement to stop writing for these pubs, fuck ‘em. Say nothing and write for whomever you want. You are still freelance.<br>
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If they are asking you to agree to stop writing for other pubs, tell them to go fuck themselves because that’s not how the world works.<br>
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And, either way, I’d be seriously suspicious of doing any business with these fuckwads moving forward.<br>
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I am in a similar situation with a long-time client whose new-ish editor has expressed the expectation that I tell him if I’m writing for other security sites and that I’m not supposed to. I said nothing because I was so stunned to hear such bullshit. And I
write for whomever I want.<br>
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tl;dr: Fuck these fucks.</p>
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<div>I've been speaking with a crypto/blockchain publication this week about coming on board to help with their coverage. I will be paid on a per article basis during a one month "trial period," after which, if all goes well, I'll be offered a full-time position.</div>
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<div>Now, I also write copy for some crypto/blockchain companies at current. One company is a startup in the space, whereas the other is a PR firm that represents other crypto companies (among other subjects). </div>
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<div>The editor has stated that I need to stop writing for these companies before beginning the trial period. I understand his reasoning (i.e. conflict of interest), but it seems risky. </div>
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<div>What happens if I cut ties with a chunk of high paying work only to see the full-time staff position get passed on to someone else? I should add that the staff position will likely make up for the loss of marketing work financially, and I have no problem
dropping the latter once I've signed a contract to work full-time for this publication. </div>
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<div>It is indeed tricky, and I thought members of the group would have some good ideas/counter-proposals. What's a win-win for all parties in this situation?</div>
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