<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div><span id="selectionBoundary_1576259960527_6124457114406368" class="rangySelectionBoundary" style="line-height: 0; display: none;" data-mce-style="line-height: 0; display: none;"></span></div><div>> I'll be behind Joe. Google is not your friend, it is your rapist. </div><div><br></div><div>Ah, the eternal problem. If we want it free, then we must understand and accept that the cost of free is being paid elsewhere and in some other way. Note that I'm not making moral or ethical judgements here. I'm only saying that Google offers its Groups fora (or forums) free at the cost of the end users surrendering some amount of privacy, as a starting point. </div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>If we don't want to associate with a company in terms of maintaining this list, then perhaps we need to find a way to rent a VPS somewhere, load up and maintain software, of which there is a hell of a lot, and of course, find a way to pay for it. </div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Would those who <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-2906076782EEA7569B5FB357F5B5FF68" data-pwa-rule-id="PASSIVE_VOICE" data-pwa-category="style" data-pwa-hint="Passive verbs make your writing less direct. Try to use an active verb instead." data-pwa-suggestions="" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="are concerned" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">are concerned</pwa> about accepting the gilded cage of a corporate benefactor/ruler be willing to pony up a few dollars a month to maintain the list?</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div data-marker="__SIG_PRE__"><pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-47CA77D867CE62D37028945C0AC6C04B" data-pwa-rule-id="EM_DASH_DOUBLE" data-pwa-category="grammar" data-pwa-hint="Do you want to use an em-dash here?" data-pwa-suggestions="—" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="--" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">--</pwa> <br>Marcel Gagné<br>Writer and Free Thinker at Large<br>Note: This <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-30BECDC86CCEDC6776094C3A07CE8019" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: massagee" data-pwa-suggestions="massage~massages" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="massagee" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">massagee</pwa> <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-733D900658A29DE45E8861D82520DBE2" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: wos" data-pwa-suggestions="was~cos~Wos" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="wos" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">wos</pwa> <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-4ED1A81209475BC524BC28B7EF0F7008" data-pwa-rule-id="CRFSR_NAT_29" data-pwa-category="grammar" data-pwa-hint="Possible confused word" data-pwa-suggestions="neat" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="nat" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">nat</pwa> <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-553897295E40E157F38090504C6581BC" data-pwa-rule-id="CRFSR_SPEEL_12" data-pwa-category="grammar" data-pwa-hint="Possible confused word" data-pwa-suggestions="spell" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="speel" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">speel</pwa> or <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-FC2DF5D3544B8FAC16906A642414E086" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: gramer" data-pwa-suggestions="graver~grader~grater~grazer~grayer" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="gramer" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">gramer</pwa>-checkered.</div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>"<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-E3824B47D523FBE90A2E14AD2FE3B553" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: ipg" data-pwa-suggestions="pig" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="ipg" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">ipg</pwa>-<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-B09BCEBF64F2C73BF7F77BCB9149F5D0" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: smz" data-pwa-suggestions="sums~seams~seems" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="smz" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">smz</pwa>" <ipg-smz@netpress.org><br><b>To: </b>"<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-E11EAF28C7171C2D4D03FB92A6D0748B" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: ipg" data-pwa-suggestions="pig" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="ipg" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">ipg</pwa>-<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-143B6C768FECC857B4C1BC8739CE2B09" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: smz" data-pwa-suggestions="sums~seams~seems" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="smz" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">smz</pwa>" <ipg-smz@netpress.org><br><b>Cc: </b>"Tom Henderson" <thenderson@extremelabs.com><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, December 13, 2019 12:32:39 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-FA12CB2F7C6AA06E5889BC300A0B5632" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: Ipg" data-pwa-suggestions="pig" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="Ipg" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">Ipg</pwa>-<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-11A05A4DBA745892E96283850D36AAB2" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: smz" data-pwa-suggestions="seems~seams~sums~Sims~Simms" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="smz" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">smz</pwa>] We need an alternative to our existing lists<br></div><div><br></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><p>I'll be behind Joe. Google is not your friend, it is your rapist.
<br>
</p>
<p>Tom<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/12/19 10:30 PM, Joe <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-86DAFC8CD89D488355A1499DA54C9C0E" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: Stanganelli" data-pwa-suggestions="Tanganelli~Stancanelli~stingingly~stinkingly" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="Stanganelli" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">Stanganelli</pwa>
via <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-1337C4091759517CF227147CDF53E07A" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: Ipg" data-pwa-suggestions="Pig~Ig~Ing~pg~Pg" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="Ipg" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">Ipg</pwa>-<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-E2D4D2C017AFC62834C81A7ACC700096" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: smz" data-pwa-suggestions="seems~seams~sums~Sims~Simms" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="smz" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">smz</pwa> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If we switch to Google <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-0FFEC815574FE9552A6EEA1FE09BBC40" data-pwa-rule-id="SUB_CLAUSE_2" data-pwa-category="grammar" data-pwa-hint="Missing comma after subordinate clause" data-pwa-suggestions="groups," data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="groups" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">groups</pwa> please remove
me before doing so.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Joe</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><b>From:</b> Ipg-<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-03FAF50A66C43B138307A40538495E30" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: smz" data-pwa-suggestions="seems~seams~sums~Sims~smears" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="smz" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">smz</pwa>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org" target="_blank"><ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org></a> on behalf of Matt Heusser
via Ipg-<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-FE3A6E91579F767E0E77222A16D66BC1" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: smz" data-pwa-suggestions="seems~seams~sums~Sims~smears" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="smz" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">smz</pwa> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank"><ipg-smz@netpress.org></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 12, 2019 8:47:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-544499860F868C73BF7FCE71E7076DEA" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: sjvn" data-pwa-suggestions="seven~son~sin~skin~soon" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="sjvn" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">sjvn</pwa> via Ipg-<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-E180735C27A592C27CC6A7500BF67E9D" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: smz" data-pwa-suggestions="seems~seams~sums~Sims~smears" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="smz" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">smz</pwa> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank"><ipg-smz@netpress.org></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Matt Heusser <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:matt@xndev.com" target="_blank"><matt@xndev.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ipg-<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-25F7913D4DC1821473EC79EDF8D0556D" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: smz" data-pwa-suggestions="seems~seams~sums~Sims~Simms" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="smz" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">smz</pwa>] We need an alternative to our
existing lists
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<div dir="auto">Google groups!</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at
5:40 PM <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-B100B137EA7407094FDD46379075EE4D" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: sjvn" data-pwa-suggestions="seen~skin~save~sun~son" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="sjvn" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">sjvn</pwa> via <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-CD445EA99681197BB4171DE612F81457" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: Ipg" data-pwa-suggestions="Pig~Ig~Ing~pg~Pg" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="Ipg" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">Ipg</pwa>-<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-461188D17CFCA67BFD46E4ED5F0307C8" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: smz" data-pwa-suggestions="seems~seams~sums~Sims~smears" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="smz" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">smz</pwa> <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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On Thu, 2019-12-12 at 16:50 -0500, Carol Pinchefsky wrote:<br>
> Slack?<br>
<br>
As it happens we have an IPG Slack, but it seldom gets
used.<br>
<br>
I don't find real-time group chat to be all that helpful
in any case. I<br>
can't see these being useful for what--should be
anyway--thoughtful<br>
online conversations. <br>
<br>
Steven<br>
-- <br>
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