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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I find Slack a beast to use. Take a peek at Cisco Webex Teams. It’s free, and offers Slack functionality in a much nicer UI. It’s end-to-end encrypted and secure too – Cisco can’t peek.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Ipg-smz <ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>jack wallen via Ipg-smz<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 14, 2019 9:49 AM<br><b>To:</b> ipg-smz@netpress.org<br><b>Cc:</b> jack wallen <jack.wallen@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ipg-smz] We need an alternative to our existing lists<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div id=geary-body><div><p class=MsoNormal>Why not do Slack?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id=geary-quote><p class=MsoNormal><br>On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 4:54 am, David Gewirtz via Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>> wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Well, we could self-host a WordPress site with membership and forum software. The entire solution can be built out that way. The only downside is a cost, monthly for good hosting and yearly for some commercial plugins to lock things down.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The one gotcha on the site I built was that when we moved it to a new host, some of the commercial plugins wouldn't re-register. At the time I set it up, the cost for them wasn't too high, but they ballooned to a total of over $500, which was too rich for me this year, so I just moved the site and we're running old, somewhat out of date plugins.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Also, I can't really volunteer myself to do the whole job. Post heart surgery, I'm trying to tone down how much work I shoulder. But I'm happy to advise.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--David<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#073763'>David Gewirtz</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#073763'>Distinguished Lecturer, CBS Interactive</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#999999'>Read my columns at </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><a href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/diy-it/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#666666'>DIY-IT</span></a><span style='color:#999999'> and </span><span style='color:#666666'><a href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/government/" target="_blank">ZDNet Government</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#999999'>Mobile: +1 321-722-4620</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt'><img border=0 id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B9XmIvQYmBx1cl83WWpiX0tZMmM&export=download"> <img border=0 id="_x0000_i1026" src="https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B9XmIvQYmBx1X3E3aUNFSlBvdUk&export=download"> <img border=0 id="_x0000_i1027" src="https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B9XmIvQYmBx1bVhVT0oxb1JrSEk&export=download"> <img border=0 id="_x0000_i1028" src="https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B9XmIvQYmBx1U3l3Tmd6N1hyVFE&export=download"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 1:28 PM Tom Henderson via Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>I will also contribute shekels.<br><br>Some alternatives include <a href="http://group.io" target="_blank">group.io</a> (am on four ex-yahoo/refugee lists there)<br><br>Cheap hosting as in namecheap/hostgator/etc that costs about $200 yr <br>that uses php-ish bbs-ish (even 2FA/MFA authenticated) hosting (meaning <br>NON-email)<br><br>Or migrate totally to slack, which visually is tough for what we do as a <br>mailing list.<br><br>We're geeks here. Time to crack some knuckles. Not so long ago, David <br>Gewirtz pushed through the <a href="http://netpress.org" target="_blank">netpress.org</a> re-do pretty successfully. <br>Perhaps one of us can help you migrate the mailman version to something <br>modern. I have MySQL/SQL-of-anything skills, if that's a problem. I <br>could be a DBA if it didn't seem to require heavy high-calibre weapons.<br><br>Tom<br><br><br>On 12/13/19 3:13 PM, Daniel Dern via Ipg-smz wrote:<br>> On Fri, 13 Dec 2019, Daniel Dern via Ipg-smz wrote:<br>>> The least-cost account is $5.95/month, so under $10 including the <br>>> SIM, and<br>>> (I just called and asked) you get up to five mailing lists for that <br>>> price.<br>>> (This account could probably also handle an IPG site, either as HTML <br>>> or WordPress, even.)<br>><br>> So that's like $100/year. I wouldn't be surprised if Pair could be <br>> talked into comp'ing the account, even; I'd be happy to ask 'em.<br>><br>> DPD<br>><br>><br>><br>-- <br>Tom Henderson<br>ExtremeLabs, Inc.<br>+1 317 250 4646<br>Twitter: @extremelabs<br>Skype: extremelabsinc<br><br><br>-- <br>Ipg-smz mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank">Ipg-smz@netpress.org</a><br><a href="http://netpress.org/mailman/listinfo/ipg-smz_netpress.org" target="_blank">http://netpress.org/mailman/listinfo/ipg-smz_netpress.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>