<html><body><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div><br></div><div>Lifehacker loves groups.io -- and they explain why.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div> <!--StartFragment--><a href="https://lifehacker.com/drop-google-and-facebook-groups-and-use-this-instead-1823994067" data-mce-href="https://lifehacker.com/drop-google-and-facebook-groups-and-use-this-instead-1823994067">https://lifehacker.com/drop-google-and-facebook-groups-and-use-this-instead-1823994067</a><!--EndFragment--> </div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div> That's some very fine journalism there.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>"<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-369CDBC17641355F8A8D23D10D5AFC2C" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: ipg" data-pwa-suggestions="pig" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="ipg" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">ipg</pwa>-<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-3FBD25251516E3B0D81DAC74818A5804" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: smz" data-pwa-suggestions="sums~seams~seems" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="smz" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">smz</pwa>" <ipg-smz@netpress.org><br><b>To: </b>"Howard M. Cohen" <hmc@hmcwritenow.com><br><b>Cc: </b>"Perlow, Jason" <jperlow@gmail.com>, "<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-0CC0269C9E16ADEE6D44B28703BB1C8B" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: ipg" data-pwa-suggestions="pig" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="ipg" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">ipg</pwa>-<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-A5CA4E7E47845F55C4A94EA45CACEEB8" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: smz" data-pwa-suggestions="sums~seams~seems" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="smz" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">smz</pwa>" <ipg-smz@netpress.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, December 16, 2019 1:05:14 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-8759F794DDA73845490B71423DA2A729" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: Ipg" data-pwa-suggestions="pig" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="Ipg" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">Ipg</pwa>-<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-C2D3653E35DCDAF7C26F6705F8B019C3" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: smz" data-pwa-suggestions="seems~seams~sums~Sims~Simms" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="smz" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">smz</pwa>] We need an alternative to our existing <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-1E51C0DA1BDCEC2DB18B4CB09D03C485" data-pwa-rule-id="MISSING_END_PUNCT_CE" data-pwa-category="grammar" data-pwa-hint="Possible missing end punctuation" data-pwa-suggestions="lists." data-pwa-heavy="true" data-pwa-dictionary-word="lists" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">lists</pwa><br></div><div><br></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><div dir="ltr">Howard, if you are up for it, and given that <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-42AC7AAB45F72E446ADC5489E7518484" data-pwa-rule-id="READABILITY_261" data-pwa-category="style" data-pwa-hint="Readability may be enhanced by using: many" data-pwa-suggestions="many" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="a lot of" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">a lot of</pwa> people <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-30482D17B5E835815FE3B80B2EF04F69" data-pwa-rule-id="READABILITY_2385" data-pwa-category="style" data-pwa-hint="Readability may be enhanced by using: dislike" data-pwa-suggestions="dislike" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="do not like" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">do not like</pwa> Facebook, I would be happy to run a Tech Journos FB group, if people wanted to opt in to it. I don't want to fork from IPG, since I am an officer, but I can see some people wanting to <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-4FE1DDB1EC09A650C2C4E6BA9F9CCDCC" data-pwa-rule-id="READABILITY_626" data-pwa-category="style" data-pwa-hint="Readability may be enhanced by removing this" data-pwa-suggestions="(omit)" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="do " class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">do </pwa>stuff on there.</div><br><div class="elided-text"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:01 PM Howard M. Cohen <<a href="mailto:hmc@hmcwritenow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">hmc@hmcwritenow.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wait for it… Fear of Facebook will soon rear <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-F79C9DF02CF778F9F80A59A03230DA31" data-pwa-rule-id="CRFSR_ITS_8" data-pwa-category="grammar" data-pwa-hint="Possible confused word" data-pwa-suggestions="its" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="it’s" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">it’s</pwa> ugly head. Richly <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-39B3F9460606F157B4F9B49345DCDFFC" data-pwa-rule-id="UNNECESSARY_COMMA_CE" data-pwa-category="grammar" data-pwa-hint="Possible unnecessary comma" data-pwa-suggestions="deserved" data-pwa-heavy="true" data-pwa-dictionary-word="deserved," class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">deserved,</pwa> but manageable.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Perlow, Jason <<a href="mailto:jperlow@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">jperlow@gmail.com</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 16, 2019 10:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Howard M. Cohen <<a href="mailto:hmc@hmcwritenow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">hmc@hmcwritenow.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>; Steven Vaughan Nichols <<a href="mailto:sjvn@vna1.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">sjvn@vna1.com</a><pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-2D06CA4F6E4A0D8FE2E5A1AF5A49E638" data-pwa-rule-id="END_PUNC" data-pwa-category="grammar" data-pwa-hint="Missing punctuation" data-pwa-suggestions=">." data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word=">" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">></pwa><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-6777F48145A6CC1D73FB644FCE40E878" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: Ipg" data-pwa-suggestions="Pig~Ig~pg~Pg~Ing" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="Ipg" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">Ipg</pwa>-<pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-419A291103F7C180CE4389375AC4B318" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: smz" data-pwa-suggestions="seems~seams~sums~Sims~Simms" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="smz" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">smz</pwa>] We need an alternative to our existing <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-8044446562F0B5D4989A14C224D8B197" data-pwa-rule-id="MISSING_END_PUNCT_CE" data-pwa-category="grammar" data-pwa-hint="Possible missing end punctuation" data-pwa-suggestions="lists." data-pwa-heavy="true" data-pwa-dictionary-word="lists" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">lists</pwa><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, I agree. There's a lot of volume, a lot of us already use <pwa data-pwa-id="pwa-C6F5ED93C22BE9BDD757E1CC5CB383BC" data-pwa-rule-id="SIMPLE_SPELLING" data-pwa-category="spelling" data-pwa-hint="Unknown word: facebook" data-pwa-suggestions="Facebook~factbook~face book" data-pwa-heavy="false" data-pwa-dictionary-word="facebook" class="pwa-mark pwa-mark-done">facebook</pwa>, and then we can compartmentalize the discussions within a single post.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:58 PM Howard M. Cohen <<a href="mailto:hmc@hmcwritenow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">hmc@hmcwritenow.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Perlow, Jason via Ipg-smz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 16, 2019 10:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Steven Vaughan Nichols <<a href="mailto:sjvn@vna1.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">sjvn@vna1.com</a>>; IPG List <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Perlow, Jason <<a href="mailto:jperlow@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">jperlow@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ipg-smz] We need an alternative to our existing lists<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Since we already have a FB fan page, adding a group to it is pretty easy. I can set it up if you give me mod/admin on it.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:54 PM Perlow, Jason <<a href="mailto:jperlow@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">jperlow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I currently run a Facebook group with nearly 2000 members in it, the admin controls are pretty easy. If it is private/secret the overhead will be minimal.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:53 PM Perlow, Jason <<a href="mailto:jperlow@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">jperlow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 4:49 PM sjvn via Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">After months of fiddling with the list software, mail server, and<br>
settings, I'm about to give up on our current platform. For reasons I<br>
have not been able to pin down, some members keep getting locked out of<br>
one or more lists. <br>
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Indeed, SMZ, for some reason, seems to be the list that has the least<br>
amount of trouble, so I'm posting this message to it, rather than ipg-<br>
l, which is its more natural home. <br>
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I still believe a mailing list is the best way to go, it's just that<br>
our current setup is Not doing the job.<br>
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If anyone has any suggestions on how to replace it, I'd love to hear<br>
them. I have some ideas of my own, but I'd like to hear from you.<br>
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