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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Fear? No. But I don’t trust them, never joined, and don’t intend to. Their lack of privacy policy is offensive. They even stalk you when you’re not signed in.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Ipg-smz <ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Howard M. Cohen via Ipg-smz<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 16, 2019 1:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> Perlow, Jason <jperlow@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Howard M. Cohen <hmc@hmcwritenow.com>; ipg-smz@netpress.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ipg-smz] We need an alternative to our existing lists<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Wait for it… Fear of Facebook will soon rear it’s ugly head. Richly deserved, but manageable.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Perlow, Jason <<a href="mailto:jperlow@gmail.com">jperlow@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 16, 2019 10:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> Howard M. Cohen <<a href="mailto:hmc@hmcwritenow.com">hmc@hmcwritenow.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>; Steven Vaughan Nichols <<a href="mailto:sjvn@vna1.com">sjvn@vna1.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ipg-smz] We need an alternative to our existing lists<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes, I agree. There's a lot of volume, a lot of us already use facebook, and then we can compartmentalize the discussions within a single post.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:58 PM Howard M. Cohen <<a href="mailto:hmc@hmcwritenow.com">hmc@hmcwritenow.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>FWIW, and given the fantastic volume of messages back and forth about this issue, I concur with Jason. A closed group is a great solution that requires little administration or support. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org" target="_blank">ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Perlow, Jason via Ipg-smz<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 16, 2019 10:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> Steven Vaughan Nichols <<a href="mailto:sjvn@vna1.com" target="_blank">sjvn@vna1.com</a>>; IPG List <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Perlow, Jason <<a href="mailto:jperlow@gmail.com" target="_blank">jperlow@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ipg-smz] We need an alternative to our existing lists<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Since we already have a FB fan page, adding a group to it is pretty easy. I can set it up if you give me mod/admin on it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:54 PM Perlow, Jason <<a href="mailto:jperlow@gmail.com" target="_blank">jperlow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I currently run a Facebook group with nearly 2000 members in it, the admin controls are pretty easy. If it is private/secret the overhead will be minimal.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:53 PM Perlow, Jason <<a href="mailto:jperlow@gmail.com" target="_blank">jperlow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Private/Secret Facebook Group. Or Google Groups. Facebook group would be easier to deal with I think.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 4:49 PM sjvn via Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>After months of fiddling with the list software, mail server, and<br>settings, I'm about to give up on our current platform. For reasons I<br>have not been able to pin down, some members keep getting locked out of<br>one or more lists. <br><br>Indeed, SMZ, for some reason, seems to be the list that has the least<br>amount of trouble, so I'm posting this message to it, rather than ipg-<br>l, which is its more natural home. <br><br>I still believe a mailing list is the best way to go, it's just that<br>our current setup is Not doing the job.<br><br>If anyone has any suggestions on how to replace it, I'd love to hear<br>them. I have some ideas of my own, but I'd like to hear from you.<br><br>Steven<br><br><br>-- <br>Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols<br>CBS/ZDNet, Contributing Editor: <a href="http://goo.gl/FkYasd" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/FkYasd</a><br>ComputerWorld, Columnist: <a href="http://goo.gl/c02Km0" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/c02Km0</a><br>QOTD: “Bad things don’t happen to writers; it’s all material.”—<br>Garrison Keillor<br><br><br>-- <br>Ipg-smz mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ipg-smz@netpress.org" target="_blank">Ipg-smz@netpress.org</a><br><a href="http://netpress.org/mailman/listinfo/ipg-smz_netpress.org" target="_blank">http://netpress.org/mailman/listinfo/ipg-smz_netpress.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal 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