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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>But is it ONLY bankrupt firms? And how are they defining bankrupt? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>In CMP’s case, it was acquired. What happens to those accounts?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>_______</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Evan Schuman</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:eschuman@thecontentfirm.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>eschuman@thecontentfirm.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="tel:973-993-8098" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>973-993-8098</span></a> (voice)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Computerworld weekly columnist (Column archive: <a href="http://www.thecontentfirm.com/weekly-column-on-computerworld" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>http://www.thecontentfirm.com/weekly-column-on-computerworld</span></a>)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Moderator for MIT Sloan Management Review events<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Google Search: <a href="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Evan+Schuman"><span style='color:blue'>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Evan+Schuman#</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="https://twitter.com/eschuman" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>https://twitter.com/eschuman</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/schumanevan/" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>www.linkedin.com/in/schumanevan/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Member, Internet Press Guild: <a href="http://netpress.org/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>http://netpress.org/</span></a></span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Ipg-smz <ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan Rosenbaum via Ipg-smz<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 23, 2019 1:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> ipg-smz@netpress.org<br><b>Cc:</b> Dan Rosenbaum <dan@panix.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ipg-smz] Two lumps of "retirement" coal in my holiday stocking<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>“<span style='color:black'>Either way, the topic of 'what happens to my retirement accounts when the company goes 'poof'?' may become an interesting article. “<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Well, the direct answer’s easy, although following through on it will not be.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>There’s government agency called the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) that takes over defined-benefit pension plans of bankrupt companies. It was formed by the ERISA Act of 1974. Right now, there are something like 5,000 pension plans being paid out by the PBGC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The money doesn’t come from general tax funds. It’s funded by insurance premiums paid by defined-benefit plan sponsors, assets of the funds it takes over, and recoveries from bankrupt pension funders.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>So yeah: company goes away, it sticks a federal government agency with paying off its pension liability.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>d<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org">ipg-smz-bounces@netpress.org</a>> on behalf of Mark Brownstein via Ipg-smz <<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b><<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Monday, December 23, 2019 at 1:14 PM<br><b>To: </b><<a href="mailto:ipg-smz@netpress.org">ipg-smz@netpress.org</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>Mark Brownstein <<a href="mailto:IPG@brownstein.com">IPG@brownstein.com</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Ipg-smz] Two lumps of "retirement" coal in my holiday stocking<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p>I wouldn't be too surprised to find that the states where these companies were located had the funds in an impound account or two. I believe that the retirement accounts established by these companies HAD TO BE maintained separately from the core businesses, so the funds may still be there, gathering interest all these years, if you can find them. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Maybe the Social Security Administration can point to to where these funds are reportedly being held and, counterintuitively, actually HELP you to find those accounts - or whatever agency is still holding them for you. <o:p></o:p></p><p>It may take some work, but the reward should be well worth it. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Either way, the topic of 'what happens to my retirement accounts when the company goes 'poof'?' may become an interesting article. <o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 12/22/2019 1:44 PM, David Needle via Ipg-smz wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>I recently applied for social security - yeah, I'm that old. Sigh. But not retiring. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Anyway, I just received two letters from the Social Security Administration headed <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>Potential Private Retirement Benefit Information. </b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Each one begins: <i>"We are writing to tell you that you, or the worker whose Social Security number appears at the top of this form, MAY be entitled to some retirement benefits from a private employer .</i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Long story short, one letter says there is a "value" of $18,376 in a retirement account connected to CMP Publications reported in 1998 and the other lists $34,687 from Computer Currents Publishing reported in 1996. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Both of those companies are long gone so I assume this is just some unresolved accounting by Social Security. While I don't remember these exacty figures, I did have a 401K at both companies so I assume that is what is this is in reference to and the money isn't actually owed to me or even exists anywhere as I would have rolled it over long ago. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Oh well, got excited there for a minute. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal>-- Ipg-smz mailing list <a href="mailto:Ipg-smz@netpress.org">Ipg-smz@netpress.org</a> <a href="http://netpress.org/mailman/listinfo/ipg-smz_netpress.org">http://netpress.org/mailman/listinfo/ipg-smz_netpress.org</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>