[Ipg-smz] Medicare

Thu Jun 27 01:37:50 UTC 2019

If it is experimental, there might be clinical trials which will charge
much less if at all.

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On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 6:18 PM Logan Harbaugh <logan at lharba.com> wrote:

> I have a malformed L4 vertebra, which slips sideways and pinches the
> nerves, causing sciatica. The standard treatment which most insurance will
> cover is a double discectomy and fusion, which has about a 60% success rate
> and requires a 9” incision in the belly, with a six-month recovery time.
> The less-invasive modern treatments are classified by Medicare and the
> insurance companies as experimental, and are not covered. The nominal cost
> for those treatments is around $120k, so even with discounts, it’s way
> outside my ability to pay. At some point, when the pain gets unbearable, I
> may gamble on one of the alternatives, but for now, I just do my best to
> live with it. My ‘medical plan’ is to win the lottery.
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> Thanks,
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> Logan G. Harbaugh
> logan at lharba.com
> 530-243-1346
> 1547 Magnolia Ave.
> Redding, CA 96001
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> *From:* Ipg-smz [mailto:ipg-smz-bounces at netpress.org] *On Behalf Of *Kishore
> Jethanandani
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 5:16 PM
> *To:* ipg-smz at netpress.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Ipg-smz] Medicare
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> Right, it does not work in every situation. BTW, you might want to check
> Medibid which provides options within the USA if you are able to pay cash.
> The cost of cash only treatments is a fraction of the insured treatments
> and often less than your deductible.
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> https://www.medibid.com/
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> There are other cash-only surgery centers in the USA which have
> competitive offers. Back surgery is high risk in any case and a bad outcome
> can mean life-long disability. I had severe back pain which was easily
> cured with yoga.
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> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:18 PM Logan Harbaugh <logan at lharba.com> wrote:
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> Here too. I’ve considered medical tourism to several countries for the
> back surgery I need, which can be 20% of the cost here, but the problem is
> that it’s got about a 20% chance of a less than favorable outcome, and
> little or no recourse if you go overseas.
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> Thanks,
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> Logan G. Harbaugh
> logan at lharba.com
> 530-243-1346
> 1547 Magnolia Ave.
> Redding, CA 96001
> www.lharba.com
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> *From:* Ipg-smz [mailto:ipg-smz-bounces at netpress.org] *On Behalf Of *Kishore
> Jethanandani
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 1:10 PM
> *To:* ipg-smz at netpress.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Ipg-smz] Medicare
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> Well, many Canadians are seeking medical treatment overseas, not so
> "civilized countries.
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> https://www.huffpost.com/entry/canadian-medical-tourism_n_5949b405e4b0db570d3778ff
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> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 11:55 AM Marcel Gagne <marcel at marcelgagne.com>
> wrote:
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> I live in Canada. We have universal health care. 15 years ago, I was
> diagnosed with thyroid cancer during my physical. The doctor felt around my
> neck and asked,"How long has this been here?" to which I replied, "How long
> has what been there." A week later, I was getting tested at the hospital
> with radioactive tracers, followed by more ultrasound tests, followed by a
> visit to an oncologist who took a biopsy of my neck by inserting a needle
> in my throat.
>
> "Hold still, Marcel. This will only take a minute."
>
> For the record, when someone inserts a needle in your neck, you hold
> still. Perfectly still.
>
> A week or two later, I had the results. Thyroid cancer. We discussed
> options, and in less than three months since my physical, I was being
> wheeled in to the operating room to have my thyroid removed by an awesome
> surgeon. A few weeks after later, I went in to a leaded isolation room for
> radioactive iodine therapy where I spent three days without human contact
> while the radioactive iodine killed off any thyroid cancer cells stupid to
> have around.
>
> Then, over the course of several years, I had numerous additional tests,
> blood tests, ultrasounds, and regular visits with oncologists, and more.
> Two years ago, I was declared officially cancer free after a final round of
> tests.
>
> Total bill handed me for all these procedures was $0. Because, in Canada,
> as in many civilized countries throughout the world, we have universal
> health care. Don't tell me it's baloney or a myth waiting to be busted.
> Universal health care is what civilized nations do to take care of their
> citizens.
>
> --
> Marcel Gagné
> Writer and Free Thinker at Large
> Note: This massagee wos nat speel or gramer-checkered.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christine Hall" <christine at fossforce.com>
> To: "ipg-smz" <ipg-smz at netpress.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 10:58:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ipg-smz] Medicare
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> This is getting political, but that's not true. Social security fell
> apart when the funds kept being used to fund other services.
>
> Christine Hall
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> On 6/26/19 9:43 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote:
> > On 6/25/19 8:04 PM, Kishore Jethanandani wrote:
> >> This idea of universal care or Medicare-for-all is such baloney--a myth
> >> waiting to be busted.
> >
> > One size does NOT fit all.  In some respects, we have baked
> > communisism/socialism into government institutions with the idea that
> > "if you make more, you can pay more" instead of charging a flat fee
> > (tax) for services.  Social Security went further -- it was a Ponzi
> > scheme that fell apart when the Baby Boomers came of retirement age on
> > one hand, and the raiding of the trust fund by Congress on the other.
> >
> > Reminds me of unions and pension funds -- "the money was just sitting
> > there."
> >
> > Minimum wage?  What a bad idea.  How about "minimum profit
> > participation" instead?
> >
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