[Ipg-smz] Medicare

Thu Jun 27 03:29:29 UTC 2019

Also, GoFundMe does a lot of funding for patients who are unable to pay for
treatments

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On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 8:28 PM Kishore Jethanandani <
kishorejethanandani at gmail.com> wrote:

> For patients who cannot afford the cost, pharmaceutical companies have
> funds to pay for them. You are expected to prove that you don't have the
> financial capacity to pay. I am not sure if it will apply in your case
> given that most of the cost is for nursing care.
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> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 7:34 PM Logan Harbaugh <logan at lharba.com> wrote:
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>> None of them are actually experimental in that they’re still in clinical
>> trials. That’s just the classification everyone uses to avoid paying for
>> them. I don’t really understand why – the cost of necessary nursing care
>> during the months-long recovery period for the discectomy and fusion is
>> much more than the cost of the surgery. However, I haven’t been able to
>> find any exceptions so far.
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>> Thanks,
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>> Logan G. Harbaugh
>> logan at lharba.com
>> 530-243-1346
>> 1547 Magnolia Ave.
>> Redding, CA 96001
>> www.lharba.com
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>> *From:* Ipg-smz [mailto:ipg-smz-bounces at netpress.org] *On Behalf Of *Kishore
>> Jethanandani
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 6:38 PM
>> *To:* ipg-smz at netpress.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ipg-smz] Medicare
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>> If it is experimental, there might be clinical trials which will charge
>> much less if at all.
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>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 6:18 PM Logan Harbaugh <logan at lharba.com> wrote:
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>> I have a malformed L4 vertebra, which slips sideways and pinches the
>> nerves, causing sciatica. The standard treatment which most insurance will
>> cover is a double discectomy and fusion, which has about a 60% success rate
>> and requires a 9” incision in the belly, with a six-month recovery time.
>> The less-invasive modern treatments are classified by Medicare and the
>> insurance companies as experimental, and are not covered. The nominal cost
>> for those treatments is around $120k, so even with discounts, it’s way
>> outside my ability to pay. At some point, when the pain gets unbearable, I
>> may gamble on one of the alternatives, but for now, I just do my best to
>> live with it. My ‘medical plan’ is to win the lottery.
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>> Thanks,
>>
>> Logan G. Harbaugh
>> logan at lharba.com
>> 530-243-1346
>> 1547 Magnolia Ave.
>> Redding, CA 96001
>> www.lharba.com
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>> *From:* Ipg-smz [mailto:ipg-smz-bounces at netpress.org] *On Behalf Of *Kishore
>> Jethanandani
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 5:16 PM
>> *To:* ipg-smz at netpress.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ipg-smz] Medicare
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>> Right, it does not work in every situation. BTW, you might want to check
>> Medibid which provides options within the USA if you are able to pay cash.
>> The cost of cash only treatments is a fraction of the insured treatments
>> and often less than your deductible.
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>> https://www.medibid.com/
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>> There are other cash-only surgery centers in the USA which have
>> competitive offers. Back surgery is high risk in any case and a bad outcome
>> can mean life-long disability. I had severe back pain which was easily
>> cured with yoga.
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>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:18 PM Logan Harbaugh <logan at lharba.com> wrote:
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>> Here too. I’ve considered medical tourism to several countries for the
>> back surgery I need, which can be 20% of the cost here, but the problem is
>> that it’s got about a 20% chance of a less than favorable outcome, and
>> little or no recourse if you go overseas.
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>> Thanks,
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>> Logan G. Harbaugh
>> logan at lharba.com
>> 530-243-1346
>> 1547 Magnolia Ave.
>> Redding, CA 96001
>> www.lharba.com
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>> *From:* Ipg-smz [mailto:ipg-smz-bounces at netpress.org] *On Behalf Of *Kishore
>> Jethanandani
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 1:10 PM
>> *To:* ipg-smz at netpress.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ipg-smz] Medicare
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>> Well, many Canadians are seeking medical treatment overseas, not so
>> "civilized countries.
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>> https://www.huffpost.com/entry/canadian-medical-tourism_n_5949b405e4b0db570d3778ff
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>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 11:55 AM Marcel Gagne <marcel at marcelgagne.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I live in Canada. We have universal health care. 15 years ago, I was
>> diagnosed with thyroid cancer during my physical. The doctor felt around my
>> neck and asked,"How long has this been here?" to which I replied, "How long
>> has what been there." A week later, I was getting tested at the hospital
>> with radioactive tracers, followed by more ultrasound tests, followed by a
>> visit to an oncologist who took a biopsy of my neck by inserting a needle
>> in my throat.
>>
>> "Hold still, Marcel. This will only take a minute."
>>
>> For the record, when someone inserts a needle in your neck, you hold
>> still. Perfectly still.
>>
>> A week or two later, I had the results. Thyroid cancer. We discussed
>> options, and in less than three months since my physical, I was being
>> wheeled in to the operating room to have my thyroid removed by an awesome
>> surgeon. A few weeks after later, I went in to a leaded isolation room for
>> radioactive iodine therapy where I spent three days without human contact
>> while the radioactive iodine killed off any thyroid cancer cells stupid to
>> have around.
>>
>> Then, over the course of several years, I had numerous additional tests,
>> blood tests, ultrasounds, and regular visits with oncologists, and more.
>> Two years ago, I was declared officially cancer free after a final round of
>> tests.
>>
>> Total bill handed me for all these procedures was $0. Because, in Canada,
>> as in many civilized countries throughout the world, we have universal
>> health care. Don't tell me it's baloney or a myth waiting to be busted.
>> Universal health care is what civilized nations do to take care of their
>> citizens.
>>
>> --
>> Marcel Gagné
>> Writer and Free Thinker at Large
>> Note: This massagee wos nat speel or gramer-checkered.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Christine Hall" <christine at fossforce.com>
>> To: "ipg-smz" <ipg-smz at netpress.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 10:58:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ipg-smz] Medicare
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>> This is getting political, but that's not true. Social security fell
>> apart when the funds kept being used to fund other services.
>>
>> Christine Hall
>> Publisher & Editor
>> FOSS Force: Keeping tech free
>> http://fossforce.com
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>> On 6/26/19 9:43 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote:
>> > On 6/25/19 8:04 PM, Kishore Jethanandani wrote:
>> >> This idea of universal care or Medicare-for-all is such baloney--a myth
>> >> waiting to be busted.
>> >
>> > One size does NOT fit all.  In some respects, we have baked
>> > communisism/socialism into government institutions with the idea that
>> > "if you make more, you can pay more" instead of charging a flat fee
>> > (tax) for services.  Social Security went further -- it was a Ponzi
>> > scheme that fell apart when the Baby Boomers came of retirement age on
>> > one hand, and the raiding of the trust fund by Congress on the other.
>> >
>> > Reminds me of unions and pension funds -- "the money was just sitting
>> > there."
>> >
>> > Minimum wage?  What a bad idea.  How about "minimum profit
>> > participation" instead?
>> >
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