[Ipg-smz] Bro culture in action

Sun Feb 17 13:37:21 UTC 2019

We are living in a time of information warfare, the weaponizing of facts
and events with the aim of twisting opinions on behalf of specific causes
and people.

This is what Putin unleashed on us in 2016. But similar things had been
going on for years. This is how ISIS came to be. Sometimes it's between
very disparate countries, like Pakistan and Ireland. Sometimes between
neighbors, like Ukraine and Russia.

But we know that facts are twisted, manipulated online for political
purposes, and that (so far) it's been the most nefarious, the most ruthless
actors who've been behind it most of the time.

Point is, manipulating of hashtags can turn what looks like evidence of one
thing into evidence of something very different.

We all need to become war correspondents.

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 7:42 AM Matt Heusser <matt at xndev.com> wrote:

> >But check this out. On Twitter, it appeared every single one of the 50
> most recent #BelieveAllWomen-tagged
> >Tweets are using it ironically, to pretend -- as you're doing -- that
> it's sincerely used in the wild.
>
> After #BelieveAllWomen there was another hashtag, #MenAreTrash, that went
> through the same thing. When I looked at it Friday morning it was serious
> and by Saturday it was ironically.
>
> I found this ted talk yesterday, I really liked it, and it seemed to say
> what I was trying to say, only more eloquently:
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> https://www.ted.com/talks/theo_e_j_wilson_a_black_man_goes_undercover_in_the_alt_right?language=en
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> best,
>
> --heusser
>
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> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 9:04 PM Richard Santalesa <
> rsantalesa at smartedgelaw.com> wrote:
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>> Ok, Tom, I’m  tabling this, because we clearly come from it from totally
>> different angles. My statements are not all false and your facts are not
>> all facts. False flag. Hardly.
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>> Good day.
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>> *From:* Ipg-smz [mailto:ipg-smz-bounces at netpress.org] *On Behalf Of *Tom
>> Geller
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2019 6:21 PM
>> *To:* ipg-smz at netpress.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ipg-smz] Bro culture in action
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>> On 15 Feb 2019, at 17:52, Richard Santalesa <rsantalesa at smartedgelaw.com>
>> wrote:
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>> I think you will have to agree that the #MeToo movement was accompanied
>> by, in various quarters, the push of a #BelieveAllWomen corollary
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>> That's quite an assertion! So let's quantify, as journalists do.
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>> Google shows about 353K hits for #BelieveAllWomen and 196,000K hits for
>> #MeToo. That's one in ~500, or 2/10ths of 1%.
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>> Even if #BelieveAllWomen was always paired with #MeToo (it's not), that's
>> far below what a reasonable person would say "accompanies by, in various
>> quarters". They are not fellow travelers.
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>> But check this out. On Twitter, it appeared every single one of the 50
>> most recent #BelieveAllWomen-tagged Tweets are using it ironically, to
>> pretend -- as you're doing -- that it's sincerely used in the wild.
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>> Your statement is definitively false. ("the #MeToo movement was
>> accompanied by, in various quarters, the push of a #BelieveAllWomen
>> corollary.")
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>> which not only damaged the valid attention that should be paid to the
>> #MeToo issue, but then set the stage for blowback as we’ve seen.
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>> I would oppose such a wrongheaded and prejudicial idea as
>> #BelieveAllWomen -- if, again, it existed. But, nope, overwhelmingly it's a
>> false flag. And you fell for it.
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>> Back to the topic: Journalists examine, quantify, analyze. It's not that
>> hard, but it takes time.
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>> ---
>> Tom Geller  *  Writer & Video/journalist  *  http://tomgeller.com
>>        Rotterdam, The Netherlands, +31 (0)6 87071468 <+31%206%2087071468>
>>             Oberlin, Ohio  *  +1-415-317-1805 <+1%20415-317-1805>
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>> On 15 Feb 2019, at 17:52, Richard Santalesa <rsantalesa at smartedgelaw.com>
>> wrote:
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>> Not sure how you make that Evil Knievel-level leap of what I’m
>> suggesting. My comments are reserved EXCLUSIVELY to the scenario I’m
>> describing in the context of a false accusation’s consequences and the
>> results of the situation in responses by men.
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>> I think you will have to agree that the #MeToo movement was accompanied
>> by, in various quarters, the push of a #BelieveAllWomen corollary, which
>> not only damaged the valid attention that should be paid to the #MeToo
>> issue, but then set the stage for blowback as we’ve seen.
>>
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>> *From:* Ipg-smz [mailto:ipg-smz-bounces at netpress.org
>> <ipg-smz-bounces at netpress.org>] *On Behalf Of *Tom Geller
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2019 11:33 AM
>> *To:* ipg-smz at netpress.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ipg-smz] Bro culture in action
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>> On 15 Feb 2019, at 17:24, Richard Santalesa <rsantalesa at smartedgelaw.com>
>> wrote:
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>> If doesn’t matter if 99.9% of people are not falsely accused as the
>> consequences of being falsely accused are so nuclear that
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>> You're suggesting that *being accused of* rape is worse than *being*
>> raped. We disagree.
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>> Anyway, you're getting far away from the flawed original concepts: That
>> #MeToo is an accusation per se, or has led to an increase in false
>> accusations. Journalists don't parrot such nonsense.
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Tom Geller  *  Writer & Video/journalist  *  http://tomgeller.com
>>        Rotterdam, The Netherlands, +31 (0)6 87071468 <+31%206%2087071468>
>>             Oberlin, Ohio  *  +1-415-317-1805 <+1%20415-317-1805>
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