[Ipg-smz] Bro culture in action

[Matt Heusser]

>But check this out. On Twitter, it appeared every single one of the 50
most recent #BelieveAllWomen-tagged
>Tweets are using it ironically, to pretend -- as you're doing -- that it's
sincerely used in the wild.

After #BelieveAllWomen there was another hashtag, #MenAreTrash, that went
through the same thing. When I looked at it Friday morning it was serious
and by Saturday it was ironically.

I found this ted talk yesterday, I really liked it, and it seemed to say
what I was trying to say, only more eloquently:

https://www.ted.com/talks/theo_e_j_wilson_a_black_man_goes_undercover_in_the_alt_right?language=en

best,

--heusser


On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 9:04 PM Richard Santalesa <
rsantalesa at smartedgelaw.com> wrote:

> Ok, Tom, I’m  tabling this, because we clearly come from it from totally
> different angles. My statements are not all false and your facts are not
> all facts. False flag. Hardly.
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> Good day.
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> *From:* Ipg-smz [mailto:ipg-smz-bounces at netpress.org] *On Behalf Of *Tom
> Geller
> *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2019 6:21 PM
> *To:* ipg-smz at netpress.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Ipg-smz] Bro culture in action
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> On 15 Feb 2019, at 17:52, Richard Santalesa <rsantalesa at smartedgelaw.com>
> wrote:
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> I think you will have to agree that the #MeToo movement was accompanied
> by, in various quarters, the push of a #BelieveAllWomen corollary
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> That's quite an assertion! So let's quantify, as journalists do.
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> Google shows about 353K hits for #BelieveAllWomen and 196,000K hits for
> #MeToo. That's one in ~500, or 2/10ths of 1%.
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> Even if #BelieveAllWomen was always paired with #MeToo (it's not), that's
> far below what a reasonable person would say "accompanies by, in various
> quarters". They are not fellow travelers.
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> But check this out. On Twitter, it appeared every single one of the 50
> most recent #BelieveAllWomen-tagged Tweets are using it ironically, to
> pretend -- as you're doing -- that it's sincerely used in the wild.
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> Your statement is definitively false. ("the #MeToo movement was
> accompanied by, in various quarters, the push of a #BelieveAllWomen
> corollary.")
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> which not only damaged the valid attention that should be paid to the
> #MeToo issue, but then set the stage for blowback as we’ve seen.
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> I would oppose such a wrongheaded and prejudicial idea as #BelieveAllWomen
> -- if, again, it existed. But, nope, overwhelmingly it's a false flag. And
> you fell for it.
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> Back to the topic: Journalists examine, quantify, analyze. It's not that
> hard, but it takes time.
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>        Rotterdam, The Netherlands, +31 (0)6 87071468
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> On 15 Feb 2019, at 17:52, Richard Santalesa <rsantalesa at smartedgelaw.com>
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> Not sure how you make that Evil Knievel-level leap of what I’m suggesting.
> My comments are reserved EXCLUSIVELY to the scenario I’m describing in the
> context of a false accusation’s consequences and the results of the
> situation in responses by men.
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> I think you will have to agree that the #MeToo movement was accompanied
> by, in various quarters, the push of a #BelieveAllWomen corollary, which
> not only damaged the valid attention that should be paid to the #MeToo
> issue, but then set the stage for blowback as we’ve seen.
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> *From:* Ipg-smz [mailto:ipg-smz-bounces at netpress.org
> <ipg-smz-bounces at netpress.org>] *On Behalf Of *Tom Geller
> *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2019 11:33 AM
> *To:* ipg-smz at netpress.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Ipg-smz] Bro culture in action
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> On 15 Feb 2019, at 17:24, Richard Santalesa <rsantalesa at smartedgelaw.com>
> wrote:
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> If doesn’t matter if 99.9% of people are not falsely accused as the
> consequences of being falsely accused are so nuclear that
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> You're suggesting that *being accused of* rape is worse than *being*
> raped. We disagree.
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> Anyway, you're getting far away from the flawed original concepts: That
> #MeToo is an accusation per se, or has led to an increase in false
> accusations. Journalists don't parrot such nonsense.
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> Tom Geller  *  Writer & Video/journalist  *  http://tomgeller.com
>        Rotterdam, The Netherlands, +31 (0)6 87071468
>             Oberlin, Ohio  *  +1-415-317-1805
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