[Ipg-smz] Bro culture in action

Sat Feb 16 14:05:39 UTC 2019

Ok, Tom, I’m  tabling this, because we clearly come from it from totally different angles. My statements are not all false and your facts are not all facts. False flag. Hardly. 

Good day.

From: Ipg-smz [mailto:ipg-smz-bounces at netpress.org] On Behalf Of Tom Geller
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 6:21 PM
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On 15 Feb 2019, at 17:52, Richard Santalesa <rsantalesa at smartedgelaw.com> wrote:

I think you will have to agree that the #MeToo movement was accompanied by, in various quarters, the push of a #BelieveAllWomen corollary

That's quite an assertion! So let's quantify, as journalists do.

Google shows about 353K hits for #BelieveAllWomen and 196,000K hits for #MeToo. That's one in ~500, or 2/10ths of 1%. 

Even if #BelieveAllWomen was always paired with #MeToo (it's not), that's far below what a reasonable person would say "accompanies by, in various quarters". They are not fellow travelers.

But check this out. On Twitter, it appeared every single one of the 50 most recent #BelieveAllWomen-tagged Tweets are using it ironically, to pretend -- as you're doing -- that it's sincerely used in the wild.

Your statement is definitively false. ("the #MeToo movement was accompanied by, in various quarters, the push of a #BelieveAllWomen corollary.")

which not only damaged the valid attention that should be paid to the #MeToo issue, but then set the stage for blowback as we’ve seen.

I would oppose such a wrongheaded and prejudicial idea as #BelieveAllWomen -- if, again, it existed. But, nope, overwhelmingly it's a false flag. And you fell for it.

Back to the topic: Journalists examine, quantify, analyze. It's not that hard, but it takes time.

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On 15 Feb 2019, at 17:52, Richard Santalesa <rsantalesa at smartedgelaw.com> wrote:

Not sure how you make that Evil Knievel-level leap of what I’m suggesting. My comments are reserved EXCLUSIVELY to the scenario I’m describing in the context of a false accusation’s consequences and the results of the situation in responses by men.  

I think you will have to agree that the #MeToo movement was accompanied by, in various quarters, the push of a #BelieveAllWomen corollary, which not only damaged the valid attention that should be paid to the #MeToo issue, but then set the stage for blowback as we’ve seen.

From: Ipg-smz [mailto:ipg-smz-bounces at netpress.org] On Behalf Of Tom Geller
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 11:33 AM
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On 15 Feb 2019, at 17:24, Richard Santalesa < <mailto:rsantalesa at smartedgelaw.com> rsantalesa at smartedgelaw.com> wrote:

If doesn’t matter if 99.9% of people are not falsely accused as the consequences of being falsely accused are so nuclear that

You're suggesting that *being accused of* rape is worse than *being* raped. We disagree. 

Anyway, you're getting far away from the flawed original concepts: That #MeToo is an accusation per se, or has led to an increase in false accusations. Journalists don't parrot such nonsense.

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