[Ipg-smz] Apple Lease

Fri May 31 02:37:00 UTC 2019

Sometimes a 'remanufactured system' is one that just had a cable re-inserted
after a rough trip through the UPS mauling system. 

I used to work for a custom computer manufacturer - we created custom
systems for auto shops and other similar end users, using third-party
software from another vendor. We often had to re-manufacture systems simply
because the third-party software company wouldn't pay for sturdier shipping
boxes. The systems would arrive at the auto shop with a video card unseated,
or a cable popped off the connector, and with on one there who could pop the
card back in, they'd return them to us as defective. I argued for months
that the costs of returns would pay for better shipping boxes at our end -
we lost out of double shipping, plus the time to pop the card back in, and
that was often more than our margin. After a year of this, I put together a
spreadsheet that showed we'd actually lost money having made over 400
systems for this one vendor, because of the return costs. We used that to
force the vendor to pay for shipping crates, and had zero returns over the
next year. 

Thanks, 

Logan G. Harbaugh
logan at lharba.com
530-243-1346
1547 Magnolia Ave.
Redding, CA 96001
www.lharba.com <http://www.lharba.com/> 

From: Ipg-smz [mailto:ipg-smz-bounces at netpress.org] On Behalf Of Tom
Henderson
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 6:13 PM
To: ipg-smz at netpress.org
Subject: Re: [Ipg-smz] Apple Lease

Consider that on a production line, QA is a process with N steps. A
refurbished system often has N steps, and more because of a second set of
eyes that aren't on a rushed production line. Sometimes a single component,
like an SSD goes dead early. The replacement SSD probably comes from better
stock, and more eyes and QA/QC steps have been applied. I wouldn't reject a
manufacturer refurbished product out of hand; indeed, they can represent
great value with even higher possible reliability than those from a retail
box. When I was QA/QC management in consumer electronics, I recall any
number of reasons why I would recommend a reman-product or a refurb-product
over a "new" one. Why? More eyes, more steps, albeit at a poorer profit
margin for the maker. 

Tom

On 5/30/19 8:22 PM, Swapnil "Swap" Bhartiya wrote:

If I am going to spend more than $4500, I am not getting a refurbished
product. 

On May 30, 2019, at 7:44 PM, Tom Henderson <thenderson at extremelabs.com>
wrote:

For whatever reasons, people return machines. Apple re-manufactures them.
They look no different from a retail-packaged machine. The specs are very
important to your work, so selections should be made to follow your exact
requirements. They cost about 10% less, sometimes more. If there's something
ugly, it's always noted, but I haven't seen an ugly note in years. Although
I don't buy Apple any more, others that I've recommended have had very good
results.

Tom

On 5/30/19 7:33 PM, arnieswap at gmail.com wrote:

What do you mean by the refurb store? Are these brand new latest machines? 

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 7:32 PM Tom Henderson <thenderson at extremelabs.com>
wrote:

I don't know of a program that does that. Apple does offer (via paypal
credit), decent deals, especially through their refurb store,
https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac/macbook-pro and I've shopped
there before, and recommend it for taking some of the sting out of retail
prices. Apple Care is suggested.

Tom

On 5/30/19 7:09 PM, arnieswap at gmail.com wrote:

Hello All 

Considering my line of work, where I am mostly traveling, I prefer having
the most powerful MacBook on the block. Apple just released a new MacBook
Pro and I would love to upgrade to it (I upgraded to Vega 20 model in Jan
this year). However, I don't want to go through the hoops of selling old
devices. Is there any way I can stay on the latest Apple hardware?

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Best Regards,

Swapnil Bhartiya
Founder & Editor: www.TFiR.io <http://www.tfir.io/> 
Freelance Journalist | Science Fiction Writer | Filmmaker
Specialises in Open Source & Emerging Technologies
Stories published in - TFiR, CIO, InfoWorld, NetworkWorld, Linux.com,
LinuxFoundation.org, The New Stack, Linux Pro, ADMIN, CNCF, Cloud Foundry,
HPE Insight.

Social networks:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/swapnilbhartiya/
https://twitter.com/swapbhartiya/
https://mstdn.io/@Swapnil
https://www.youtube.com/TFiR-TV

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