[Ipg-smz] [Ipg-l] Edit question: "American" ==> SMZ
Tom Henderson
thenderson at extremelabs.com
Thu Sep 12 11:33:56 UTC 2019
I giggle.
We are not the only Americans, and to believe we are is haute
snootieness, puffed-chest privilege. I'm an American. When I'm here in
the US, no point of reference is necessary as American feces have no scent!
But there are also the Norte Americanos, mi amigos de Nuevo Mexico y
Arizona y Texas y Colorado. They were here before my entire gene pool
arrived.
At the point of arrival of my entire gene pool, my brother and I have
traced all embarkation points. They are: Scotland, Ireland, England via
Canada, and Germany. I also have multiple citizenships, including being
a Hoosier.
Two doors down is a double-American, from Brasil. Next door is a
Thai-American.
The ambiguity of being an American is: We're all in this hemisphere.
Being a US Citizen, I am an American, but at the radio station where I
volunteer, one of the DJs is not an American but is a member of the
Navajo nation, a native people. She is a US citizen, but refuses to be
an American, although one of her great grandfathers is German. She can
move to Germany, this great grandfather being very well documented, and
apply for EU citizenship. She's considered this but she likes her annual
trip to the sweat lodge.
Soon you'll start arguing about Pluto.
Tom
On 9/11/19 11:31 PM, Reid Goldsborough via Ipg-l wrote:
> Usage isn’t based on what happened 500 years ago with Amerigo
> Vespucci, with Christopher Columbus/Colombus, or with origins. Usage
> is based on what people use, how they talk and how they write. That’s
> why and how language evolves, changes, how the meaning of a word can
> become the diametric opposite of its original meaning.
>
> You can argue whether dictionaries and usage guides should be
> descriptive or prescriptive or the degree in which they’re descriptive
> or prescriptive. But eventually the people win out, how they use
> language. And, as mentioned, not only do Americans refer to us as
> Americans, so do other English speaking people as well as the French,
> Germans, Russians, and Japanese.
>
> Does this bother Venezuelans? So what. You have bigger problems to
> tackle. And you’re Venezuelans. We’re not. We’re Americans. Of the
> United States of America. Do you have the word America in your name?
> Does anyone else? Then shut the front door.
>
> All this is infinitely interesting. Let’s not even talk about
> continents. No, let’s. Does the earth have five continents, six
> continents, or seven continents? There are different views, all good.
> Why do you think the Olympic symbol has five rings? Some regard North
> and South America as one continent because it’s one landmass. Same
> with Eurasia. Forget about Central America, not a continent, a region
> for sure. Part of North America. Doesn’t mean… Panamanians are Americans.
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 10:46 PM Tom Henderson via Ipg-l
> <ipg-l at netpress.org <mailto:ipg-l at netpress.org>> wrote:
>
> We are Americans. So are the peoples of 34 countries in this
> hemisphere. We are great. So are they. Amerigo Vespucci would
> smack you around, descendant of imperialists/refugees/migrants!
> And so as my engineering instincts and Ms Davis, my HS English
> teacher's good graces might tell me, an /exacting/ answer not
> insulting to other non-US Americans would cite the US, and perhaps
> define even what/which/who/what in the United states we're talking
> about. Then Ms Davis would beam and be happy, and not throw things.
>
> Tom (I, too, am the descendant of imperialists/refugees/migrants)
>
>
>
> On 9/11/19 10:34 PM, Reid Goldsborough via Ipg-l wrote:
>> Wrong! Passion here isn't personal. What you're doing is
>> political correctness gone amok. Good intentions gone awry.
>> Cutting and pasting...
>>
>> Many South Americans object to the name America designating the
>> United States of America and to only its citizens being referred
>> to as Americans, and some politically overcorrect Americans do as
>> well. But no other country in North or South America or anywhere
>> else includes the word America in its name besides the United
>> States of America. Other English-speaking countries as well as
>> the French, Germans, Russians, and Japanese, among others, employ
>> this same usage, referring to us and only us as Americans.
>>
>> Among the terms in English proposed over the years for citizens
>> of the United States are Usonians, United-Statesians, and
>> U.S.-Americans, though none caught on, for good reason. Brits
>> sometimes informally call Americans Yankees or Yanks, and that’s
>> fine, and South Americans sometimes informally call us gringos,
>> sometimes disparagingly, and that’s fine too.
>>
>> Cut and paste off: We are Americans. Apologies for the
>> politicaltalitudinous of what follows. You don't have to be a
>> Trumpian zenophobe lunatic to be proud of our uniqueness. No,
>> let's not make America great again. We are great. Let's recognize
>> our greatness as we recognize our place in the fellowship of
>> countries, in North and South America and around the world, let's
>> recognize our uniqueness, and let’s compete as we cooperate with
>> our fellows, worthy opponents, facing us on the other side of the
>> net, not enemies, which just leads to row after row of the
>> tombstones of dead soldiers.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 4:43 PM apoor--- via Ipg-l
>> <ipg-l at netpress.org <mailto:ipg-l at netpress.org>> wrote:
>>
>> As a general rule, I try to avoid using “American” to refer
>> to the population of the United States. I try to use
>> something like “U.S. consumers” instead of “American
>> consumer.” My reasoning is that the set of “Americans” is
>> larger than “U.S.” since the “Americas” comprise two whole
>> continents.
>>
>> Does anyone else feel this way, or am I being a snowflake?
>>
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