[Ipg-smz] Facebook to hire ex-felons?
Gabe Goldberg
gabe at gabegold.com
Mon Apr 1 03:43:18 UTC 2019
True. Also male. I'm well aware those attributes influence -- or
determine! -- my perspective and interactions. And I live in a
relatively upscale and safe area of a safe and economically sound
county. And I was privileged being born into solidly middle-class life
in NYC. I've no illusion that any of this is universal and deplore
various inequalities in this country. And I'm sure that less fortunate
people can see a different side of law enforcement. My point was simply
that generalizations may fail and I don't think the people I've dealt
with look for ways to trick/trap/incriminate people. In fact, Fairfax
has multiple diversion programs where police are mandated to first
consider ways to avoid criminalizing certain actions.
On 3/31/2019 10:39 PM, Sharon Fisher wrote:
> Gabe, I'm guessing you're white.
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 8:33 PM Richard Santalesa
> <rsantalesa3 at optonline.net <mailto:rsantalesa3 at optonline.net>> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure my perspective is different. I know many law
> enforcement officers, have contacts in the CT FBI offices. Etc.
>
> I have no issues approaching LEO to query or discuss, but if
> approachef and questioned in the context of an investigation my
> standard recommendation is to state, "I'm happy to help in any way
> I can, but I can't speak to you further without my counsel
> advising me"
>
> On Mar 31, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Gabe Goldberg <gabe at gabegold.com
> <mailto:gabe at gabegold.com>> wrote:
>
> FWIW, different perspective here. After attending FCPD
> Citizens Police Academy, I attended FBI Citizens Academy at
> Washington, DC Field Office (both fascinating/informative).
> Again, knowing multiple FBI agents and officials, I've had
> pleasant/informative interactions with them. As a citizen, I
> both carry an ACLU membership card and value my dealings with
> local and federal law enforcement. I won't quote the tired
> saying "If you haven't done anything, you have nothing to
> worry about" and recognize there have been abuses but don't
> feel the need to be on guard. In fact, both FCPD officers and
> FBI agents have been helpful when I had minor issue or
> questions to discuss.
>
> On 3/31/2019 10:06 PM, Richard Santalesa wrote:
>> Sorry. As an attorney I recommend no discussion with LEO (
>> especy federal) other than definitely known facts with
>> counsel present.
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:59 PM, Ken Hess <
>> kenneth.hess at gmail.com <mailto:kenneth.hess at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Exactly Sharon. That's the dilemma. You get out and can't
>> find a decent job. What do you do? Fast food or crime?
>>
>> I think there needs to be actual education in the prison
>> system especially for those who have the possibility of
>> parole/release. We can either spend some money training,
>> teaching, and educating people or we can pay for them to
>> come back and live off the state or get released and
>> commit more crimes.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Kenneth Hess
>> (918) 919-0411
>> Twitter: @kenhess
>> Skype: kenneth_hess
>> kenhess.com <http://www.kenhess.com/> -
>> frugalnetworker.com <http://frugalnetworker.com/>
>> Filmmaker - Podcaster - Reviewer - System Administrator -
>> Writer
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 6:31 PM Sharon Fisher <
>> slfisher at gmail.com <mailto:slfisher at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So when someone has done their time, what are they
>> supposed to do for a living when released?
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 12:50 PM Gabe Goldberg <
>> gabe at gabegold.com <mailto:gabe at gabegold.com>> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, I've volunteered with Fairfax County, VA
>> Police Department for 10+
>> years. I know -- and in many cases have ridden
>> with -- officers from
>> patrol to chief. I chaired my police station's
>> Citizens Advisory
>> Committee and serve on the Chief's Advisory
>> Council. I'm on a task force
>> developing policies for public safety use of
>> drones -- it's about 40
>> people, including police, fire&EMS, fire marshal,
>> county attorney, FAA,
>> Audubon Society, business organizations,
>> citizen/civic groups, and head
>> of Virginia ACLU. Output so far is a draft 35+
>> page manual and all the
>> info is on fairfaxcounty.gov/uas
>> <http://fairfaxcounty.gov/uas>.
>>
>> There are 18,000+ law enforcement agencies in the
>> country so it's
>> misleading to generalize about "the police" or
>> "law enforcement".
>> Fairfax cops I know are
>> honest/honorable/motivated to do the right
>> thing. Over the years, policies have changed --
>> sometimes in response to
>> national trends, sometimes to community
>> involvement/pressure, sometimes
>> to FCPD problems. There's pretty good
>> transparency and responsiveness.
>> Fairfax (1200+ officers) isn't Mayberry or NYC
>> (30,000+ officers) --
>> there's no reason NOT to talk to police here; in
>> fact middle/high
>> schools all have School Resource Officers whose
>> job is to TALK to kids
>> -- not arrest them.
>>
>> I'm not claiming that everywhere's as fortunate
>> as Fairfax -- just
>> suggesting that all-inclusive advice about police
>> can be misleading.
>>
>> On 3/31/2019 11:18 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote:
>> > On 3/30/19 5:05 PM, Richard Santalesa wrote:
>> >> Oh come on pretty much everything is a felony
>> these days.
>> >
>> > All too true, which is why you NEVER talk to
>> law enforcement unless you
>> > have to.
>> >
>> > And "ex-felons" implies "convictions".
>> >
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