[Ipg-smz] Facebook to hire ex-felons?

Mon Apr 1 02:39:21 UTC 2019

Gabe, I'm guessing you're white.

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 8:33 PM Richard Santalesa <rsantalesa3 at optonline.net>
wrote:

> I'm not sure my perspective is different. I know many law enforcement
> officers, have  contacts in the CT FBI offices. Etc.
>
> I have no issues approaching LEO to query or discuss, but if approachef
> and questioned in the context of an investigation my standard
> recommendation is to state, "I'm happy to help in any way I can, but I
> can't speak to you further without my counsel advising me"
>
> On Mar 31, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Gabe Goldberg <gabe at gabegold.com> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, different perspective here. After attending FCPD Citizens Police
>> Academy, I attended FBI Citizens Academy at Washington, DC Field Office
>> (both fascinating/informative). Again, knowing multiple FBI agents and
>> officials, I've had pleasant/informative interactions with them. As a
>> citizen, I both carry an ACLU membership card and value my dealings with
>> local and federal law enforcement. I won't quote the tired saying "If you
>> haven't done anything, you have nothing to worry about" and recognize there
>> have been abuses but don't feel the need to be on guard. In fact, both FCPD
>> officers and FBI agents have been helpful when I had minor issue or
>> questions to discuss.
>> On 3/31/2019 10:06 PM, Richard Santalesa wrote:
>>
>> Sorry. As an attorney I recommend no discussion with LEO ( especy
>> federal) other than definitely known facts with counsel present.
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:59 PM, Ken Hess < kenneth.hess at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Exactly Sharon. That's the dilemma. You get out and can't find a decent
>>> job. What do you do? Fast food or crime?
>>>
>>> I think there needs to be actual education in the prison system
>>> especially for those who have the possibility of parole/release. We can
>>> either spend some money training, teaching, and educating people or we can
>>> pay for them to come back and live off the state or get released and commit
>>> more crimes.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> Kenneth Hess
>>> (918) 919-0411
>>> Twitter: @kenhess
>>> Skype: kenneth_hess
>>> kenhess.com <http://www.kenhess.com/> -  frugalnetworker.com
>>> Filmmaker - Podcaster - Reviewer - System Administrator - Writer
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 6:31 PM Sharon Fisher < slfisher at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So when someone has done their time, what are they supposed to do for a
>>>> living when released?
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 12:50 PM Gabe Goldberg < gabe at gabegold.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> FWIW, I've volunteered with Fairfax County, VA Police Department for
>>>>> 10+
>>>>> years. I know -- and in many cases have ridden with -- officers from
>>>>> patrol to chief. I chaired my police station's Citizens Advisory
>>>>> Committee and serve on the Chief's Advisory Council. I'm on a task
>>>>> force
>>>>> developing policies for public safety use of drones -- it's about 40
>>>>> people, including police, fire&EMS, fire marshal, county attorney,
>>>>> FAA,
>>>>> Audubon Society, business organizations, citizen/civic groups, and
>>>>> head
>>>>> of Virginia ACLU. Output so far is a draft 35+ page manual and all the
>>>>> info is on fairfaxcounty.gov/uas.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are 18,000+ law enforcement agencies in the country so it's
>>>>> misleading to generalize about "the police"  or "law enforcement".
>>>>> Fairfax cops I know are honest/honorable/motivated to do the right
>>>>> thing. Over the years, policies have changed -- sometimes in response
>>>>> to
>>>>> national trends, sometimes to community involvement/pressure,
>>>>> sometimes
>>>>> to FCPD problems. There's pretty good transparency and responsiveness.
>>>>> Fairfax (1200+ officers) isn't Mayberry or NYC (30,000+ officers) --
>>>>> there's no reason NOT to talk to police here; in fact middle/high
>>>>> schools all have School Resource Officers whose job is to TALK to kids
>>>>> -- not arrest them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not claiming that everywhere's as fortunate as Fairfax -- just
>>>>> suggesting that all-inclusive advice about police can be misleading.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/31/2019 11:18 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote:
>>>>> > On 3/30/19 5:05 PM, Richard Santalesa wrote:
>>>>> >> Oh come on pretty much everything is a felony these days.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > All too true, which is why you NEVER talk to law enforcement unless
>>>>> you
>>>>> > have to.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > And "ex-felons" implies "convictions".
>>>>> >
>>>>> --
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>>>>> gabe at gabegold.com
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>>>>>          (703) 204-0433
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>>>>> GabeG0
>>>>>
>>>>>
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