[Ipg-smz] Facebook to hire ex-felons?
Gabe Goldberg
gabe at gabegold.com
Mon Apr 1 03:53:16 UTC 2019
And I'm not sure my perspective on THAT differs.
I responded to, "As an attorney I recommend no discussion with LEO (
especy federal) other than definitely known facts with counsel present"
because it seemed all encompassing, rather than in the context of an
investigation.
But suppose it's a crime/incident (traffic accident?) in which you're a
victim or witness? Those involve investigations, do you include them in
times to be cagey?
I've heard ACLU presentations making your point -- politely decline to
discuss, politely decline entry to house, search of car, etc. ACLU makes
the point that it's important for EVERYONE (even/especially white males)
to assert those rights/decisions so officers are accustomed to refusals,
may be more accepting of them from others. Problem is, of course --
being politely uncooperative (in LEO eyes) can lengthen an encounter if
not turn it negative.
On 3/31/2019 10:32 PM, Richard Santalesa wrote:
> I'm not sure my perspective is different. I know many law enforcement
> officers, have contacts in the CT FBI offices. Etc.
>
> I have no issues approaching LEO to query or discuss, but if
> approachef and questioned in the context of an investigation my
> standard recommendation is to state, "I'm happy to help in any way I
> can, but I can't speak to you further without my counsel advising me"
>
> On Mar 31, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Gabe Goldberg <gabe at gabegold.com
> <mailto:gabe at gabegold.com>> wrote:
>
> FWIW, different perspective here. After attending FCPD Citizens
> Police Academy, I attended FBI Citizens Academy at Washington, DC
> Field Office (both fascinating/informative). Again, knowing
> multiple FBI agents and officials, I've had pleasant/informative
> interactions with them. As a citizen, I both carry an ACLU
> membership card and value my dealings with local and federal law
> enforcement. I won't quote the tired saying "If you haven't done
> anything, you have nothing to worry about" and recognize there
> have been abuses but don't feel the need to be on guard. In fact,
> both FCPD officers and FBI agents have been helpful when I had
> minor issue or questions to discuss.
>
> On 3/31/2019 10:06 PM, Richard Santalesa wrote:
>> Sorry. As an attorney I recommend no discussion with LEO ( especy
>> federal) other than definitely known facts with counsel present.
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:59 PM, Ken Hess < kenneth.hess at gmail.com
>> <mailto:kenneth.hess at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Exactly Sharon. That's the dilemma. You get out and can't
>> find a decent job. What do you do? Fast food or crime?
>>
>> I think there needs to be actual education in the prison
>> system especially for those who have the possibility of
>> parole/release. We can either spend some money training,
>> teaching, and educating people or we can pay for them to come
>> back and live off the state or get released and commit more
>> crimes.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Kenneth Hess
>> (918) 919-0411
>> Twitter: @kenhess
>> Skype: kenneth_hess
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>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 6:31 PM Sharon Fisher <
>> slfisher at gmail.com <mailto:slfisher at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So when someone has done their time, what are they
>> supposed to do for a living when released?
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 12:50 PM Gabe Goldberg <
>> gabe at gabegold.com <mailto:gabe at gabegold.com>> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, I've volunteered with Fairfax County, VA Police
>> Department for 10+
>> years. I know -- and in many cases have ridden with
>> -- officers from
>> patrol to chief. I chaired my police station's
>> Citizens Advisory
>> Committee and serve on the Chief's Advisory Council.
>> I'm on a task force
>> developing policies for public safety use of drones
>> -- it's about 40
>> people, including police, fire&EMS, fire marshal,
>> county attorney, FAA,
>> Audubon Society, business organizations,
>> citizen/civic groups, and head
>> of Virginia ACLU. Output so far is a draft 35+ page
>> manual and all the
>> info is on fairfaxcounty.gov/uas
>> <http://fairfaxcounty.gov/uas>.
>>
>> There are 18,000+ law enforcement agencies in the
>> country so it's
>> misleading to generalize about "the police" or "law
>> enforcement".
>> Fairfax cops I know are honest/honorable/motivated to
>> do the right
>> thing. Over the years, policies have changed --
>> sometimes in response to
>> national trends, sometimes to community
>> involvement/pressure, sometimes
>> to FCPD problems. There's pretty good transparency
>> and responsiveness.
>> Fairfax (1200+ officers) isn't Mayberry or NYC
>> (30,000+ officers) --
>> there's no reason NOT to talk to police here; in fact
>> middle/high
>> schools all have School Resource Officers whose job
>> is to TALK to kids
>> -- not arrest them.
>>
>> I'm not claiming that everywhere's as fortunate as
>> Fairfax -- just
>> suggesting that all-inclusive advice about police can
>> be misleading.
>>
>> On 3/31/2019 11:18 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote:
>> > On 3/30/19 5:05 PM, Richard Santalesa wrote:
>> >> Oh come on pretty much everything is a felony
>> these days.
>> >
>> > All too true, which is why you NEVER talk to law
>> enforcement unless you
>> > have to.
>> >
>> > And "ex-felons" implies "convictions".
>> >
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