[Ipg-smz] Google email privacy [was: We need an alternative to our existing lists]

[Richi Jennings]

Just a thought for those, like DavidG, who don't wish for Google to know
certain life details: Many recipients of these lists *receive* your life
details at GMail or at a GSuite instance.

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On Sat, 14 Dec 2019, 10:24 pm David Gewirtz via Ipg-smz, <
ipg-smz at netpress.org> wrote:

> So, a thought, and this could be my lack of knowledge of slack, but I read
> these lists at lull periods, not in real time. I tried to follow our slack
> list, but quickly grew bored. But here, when I get a few minutes or it's
> late at night and I'm catching up, I can read through entire threads, catch
> up, and respond.
>
> I don't think we're a real-time group. I don't care too much if it's email
> or a group forum, but I'd vote against anything that's structured around
> "chat". Also, a benefit of email is substantially more group privacy. I'd
> prefer to avoid giving Google (et al) a chance to scan our posts.
> Sometimes, what we say is private. For example, I told CBS and IPG about my
> heart attack, but no one else, including friends or family. Wasn't
> something I wanted public. Sometimes we talk about publications, our
> personal issues, etc, and we don't want that in the public eye. The benefit
> of a private guild list is that it's private. Let's keep that in mind as we
> move forward.
>
> --David
>
>
>
> *David Gewirtz*
> Distinguished Lecturer, CBS Interactive
> Read my columns at DIY-IT <http://www.zdnet.com/blog/diy-it/> and ZDNet
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> Mobile: +1 321-722-4620
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>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 8:44 AM Lynn Greiner via Ipg-smz <
> ipg-smz at netpress.org> wrote:
>
>> I find Slack a beast to use. Take a peek at Cisco Webex Teams. It’s free,
>> and offers Slack functionality in a much nicer UI. It’s end-to-end
>> encrypted and secure too – Cisco can’t peek.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ipg-smz <ipg-smz-bounces at netpress.org> *On Behalf Of *jack
>> wallen via Ipg-smz
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 14, 2019 9:49 AM
>> *To:* ipg-smz at netpress.org
>> *Cc:* jack wallen <jack.wallen at gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ipg-smz] We need an alternative to our existing lists
>>
>>
>>
>> Why not do Slack?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 4:54 am, David Gewirtz via Ipg-smz <
>> ipg-smz at netpress.org> wrote:
>>
>> Well, we could self-host a WordPress site with membership and forum
>> software. The entire solution can be built out that way. The only downside
>> is a cost, monthly for good hosting and yearly for some commercial plugins
>> to lock things down.
>>
>>
>>
>> The one gotcha on the site I built was that when we moved it to a new
>> host, some of the commercial plugins wouldn't re-register. At the time I
>> set it up, the cost for them wasn't too high, but they ballooned to a total
>> of over $500, which was too rich for me this year, so I just moved the site
>> and we're running old, somewhat out of date plugins.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, I can't really volunteer myself to do the whole job. Post heart
>> surgery, I'm trying to tone down how much work I shoulder. But I'm happy to
>> advise.
>>
>>
>>
>> --David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *David Gewirtz*
>>
>> Distinguished Lecturer, CBS Interactive
>>
>> Read my columns at DIY-IT <http://www.zdnet.com/blog/diy-it/> and ZDNet
>> Government <http://www.zdnet.com/blog/government/>
>>
>> Mobile: +1 321-722-4620
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 1:28 PM Tom Henderson via Ipg-smz <
>> ipg-smz at netpress.org> wrote:
>>
>> I will also contribute shekels.
>>
>> Some alternatives include group.io (am on four ex-yahoo/refugee lists
>> there)
>>
>> Cheap hosting as in namecheap/hostgator/etc that costs about $200 yr
>> that uses php-ish bbs-ish (even 2FA/MFA authenticated) hosting (meaning
>> NON-email)
>>
>> Or migrate totally to slack, which visually is tough for what we do as a
>> mailing list.
>>
>> We're geeks here. Time to crack some knuckles. Not so long ago, David
>> Gewirtz pushed through the netpress.org re-do pretty successfully.
>> Perhaps one of us can help you migrate the mailman version to something
>> modern. I have MySQL/SQL-of-anything skills, if that's a problem. I
>> could be a DBA if it didn't seem to require heavy high-calibre weapons.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 12/13/19 3:13 PM, Daniel Dern via Ipg-smz wrote:
>> > On Fri, 13 Dec 2019, Daniel Dern via Ipg-smz wrote:
>> >> The least-cost account is $5.95/month, so under $10 including the
>> >> SIM, and
>> >> (I just called and asked) you get up to five mailing lists for that
>> >> price.
>> >> (This account could probably also handle an IPG site, either as HTML
>> >> or WordPress, even.)
>> >
>> > So that's like $100/year. I wouldn't be surprised if Pair could be
>> > talked into comp'ing the account, even; I'd be happy to ask 'em.
>> >
>> > DPD
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>>
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